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ny2miami  
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 12 |
KCL vs UCL vs LSE
I applied to LSE in early January, is that considered late in the game?. I went to an average US Law School - specifically, Suffolk Univ. in Boston. The MSc at LSE was my 2nd preference to the LLM. Since I tend to have more of an interest in employment law than generic business law, I'm inclined to take the MSc in Int'l Employment Relations at LSE.....however, I also see the marketability of UCLMon Apr 10, 2006 05:10 AM s Int'l Business Law curriculum posted by one of the above people. I may be unduly narrowing my 'expertise' by the MSc, as it's more of a business/management oriented course. Even though UCL is tremendously respected globally, for some reason the LSE name carries much more weight with american law firms. |
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| ba
Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 9 |
KCL vs UCL vs LSE
Yes you applied kind of late. It is probably a little harder to get into an LLM program at LSE than previously.Mon Apr 10, 2006 05:13 PM I went to LSE but UCL is an excellent school as well, if you do the LLM in UCL it might be advisable to work in the UK or on the continent for a bit as you are clearly correct since as far as american law firms go LSE is just after Oxbridge even though UCL law program (at least the LLB undergraduate degree) is ranked higher in the UK. Also many lawyers in the US also have MSC's rather than LLMs from LSE so you will not lose out. I would advise that you do the MSC and then later down the line do an LLM in the US. If that does not make financial sense, have you considered applying to Georgetown to do an LLM? If you look at the website you will find out that they are presently undersubscribed and are still taking applications. Look into it. |
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| ny2miami
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 12 |
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Thanks for the tips. I've spoke to a legal recruiter with Freshfields' NY Office, and she advised that they definitely hold LSE in top regard, whether the actual degree is "MSc" or "LLM" doesn't make much of a significant difference, especially where your prior work experience is substantial enough to prove you have the practical skills to succeed. However, since my MSc conveys a specialization in int'l employment, they obviously would channel my application to that specific dept; whereas a broader "int'l buinsess" llm would make more departments available to me. When you're paying close to US $50K for an advanced degree, I have to say that name brand really is the most important thing at the end of the day, so that's why I'm inclined to skip UCL and Utrecht (unless as you suggest I had a desire to work for the short term post-graduation in the UK or in europe, which I haven't ruled out). I didn't see your background - are you a British lawyer? Thanks re: Georgetown, but I'd much rather be overseas for a year than in D.C., at least until Bush leaves office!Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:33 AM Cheers |
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| paul24
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 13 |
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hi everyone. i've got thru both ucl and kcl. i also secured a place in warwick and manchester. can anyone suggest me which of the 2 (ucl and kcl) is better for corporate and commercial law? Wed Apr 12, 2006 06:13 AM regards ! |
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| paul24
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hi sofi.Wed Apr 12, 2006 08:12 AM i will also be joining ucl for corporate and commercial law. i am from india. regards |
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baronmax
 Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 7 |
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It is rather funny that when you feel alone in your amletic decision you jump into other guys same problems! Like to share to pain make it easier.Sun Apr 16, 2006 09:47 PM Well, I am an Italian lawyer 30 years old 5 PEQ working since 2002 with an Italian middle market corporate boutique named Monaco e associati. Until now I received offers from KCL and Queen Mary and am still waiting fro UCL. I am interest in Banking and Finance LLM and course anyone can help?? Sherman can I ask why you did not consider neither KCL and Queen Mary?? I have been told that for the matters we are interested in specializing they are the best while UCL is great for public law (and international finance). Boh?? |
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| Ronin
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 40 |
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KCL and UCL are equal as regards financial law I think. Class of International Finance taught at UCL (prof Penn) and at KCL (Prof Tennekoon) are both excellent, but the way of teaching is different, M Penn being more technical and close tro legal concepts.Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:40 AM Banking Law seems to be better at KCL, but the scope of classes of banking law at UCL and KCL are different. KCL has the awesome M Dalhuisen in European Financial Law, which is absolutely a "must have" in my opinion. UCL has "Secured Transactions", which is also a "must have", and maybe next year a Corporate Finance class (to be confirmed). If you are from Italy, Italian people told me that KCL is more known than UCL in Italy. The same is true in France. But at the very end, lawfirms I know do not make the difference it seems. They rather focus on what you did during your LLM. Definitely, the best policy is to attend to both UCL and KCL classes thanks to the intercollegiate system, but rumors said that UCL and or KCL are about to quit next year (I said Rumours...) I am French and I choose UCL, because of the ranking and the reputation in the whole Commonwealth. I took International Finance at UCL, SecuredTransactions, European Financial Law at KCL, and ...Comparative Torts law at UCL taught by the awesome M Markesinis. I am very happy with my subjects. I Think UCL has maybe the slight adavantage to have other very good commercial subjects such as Corporate and especially Insolvency law too with M Fletcher. |
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| bohemian
Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 3 |
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Hi there.. I've received offers from both LSE and UCL for their LLM programmes. I am from a commonwealth jurisdiction and am interested in common-law subjects, in particular Conflict of Laws and Restitution. Which school would you recommend?
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| studentbarista
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 47 |
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I'm in for LSE as well. Mon Apr 17, 2006 09:01 PM In your case, I would go for UCL. Their options are traditional common law courses. The LSE LLM is quite international - I don't think there's an option for Restitution at LLM level, and the Conflicts course is known by its civilian name as 'Private International Law.' |
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| anna1
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 1 |
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Dear all, Tue Apr 18, 2006 09:56 AM could you please advise me on the following. I received offer both from LSE&KCL. However due to the condition set from LSE (I was requested to obtain the Master's degree I am studying now, although this is a four year programm ending in 2007), I requested LSE a deferral and it was approved so that I could start LLM in LSE next year (2007/2008), ie. after I will receive my current degree. Do you think LSE is really that good and better that KCL to postpone studies from this autumn to the next and reject offer from KCL? To be honest my current studies are of a quite low quality, therefore I would like to start my studies in a well known university as soon as possible. |
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| PSH77
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 3 |
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Hello guys. My name is Pablo and I'm a 28 years old peruvian lawyer. I want to apply for a taxation LLM programme in UK for 2007, but I don't have much information. I've heard that LSE has the best taxation programme, and it looks pretty good in their web site. Is LSE really the best choice for a taxation programme? Are there other schools with taxation programmes that I sholud be considering? Thanx a lot!!
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| bohemian
Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 3 |
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Thanks, studentbarista, best of luck at the LSE!Wed Apr 19, 2006 06:38 PM Incidentally, does anyone know whether UCL / LSE allow LLM students to compete in its mooting teams? [Edited 19 Apr 2006 by bohemian] |
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| studentbarista
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 47 |
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By the way chaps...Thu Apr 27, 2006 01:34 PM Re LSE admissions: "Only Oxford and Cambridge have higher entry requirements." It's official - Times University Guide 2006 |
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| CRS
Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 2 |
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Hi there everyone,Mon May 29, 2006 11:42 PM I must agree with the point being made immediately above. I have recently completed an LLB degree and have recieved offers from KCL and LSE. The former is conditional on obtaining a 2:1 degree whilst the latter is conditional on obtaining a first class degree. As many of you who have studied in the UK will know, there is an enormous difference between 60% and 68%, let alone 70%. All in all, I can get into KCL by scraping a 2:1 but need a first for LSE. That must, objectively, be a strong indication of the standards of the respective courses in terms of the quality of class discussion and examination levels. It (the differing application standards) may also indicate a reason for LSE withdrawing from the rest of the London LLM programme, but this is speculation on my own behalf. Personally one cannot deny that KCL and the rest of the London programme offer an amazing variety of courses and I have no doubt that the programme is a quality one. Nevertheless, one surely cannot ignore what in my view is a fundamental discrepancy between the entry requirments of KCL and LSE, which in turn must, in some way, impact the reputation of the respective programmes. CRS |
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| am_s
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 25 |
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CRS, I am surprised to hear your offer condition for LSE is a first. Almost all people I know of have a straight 2:1 offer for LSE (including me). Perhaps timing of application has something to do with this - did you apply near to the deadline? If so I believe they may have set a higher condition as the competition for remaining places will be greater towards the deadline. I do not think there is a straightforward comparison between LSE and King's. Both are excellent institutions with strengths in different areas.
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| CRS
Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 2 |
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I applied to LSE early (in December). Perhaps why my conditional offer is premised on a first class degree is due to the institution where I studied, which I would prefer not to name. Wed May 31, 2006 12:32 AM You are entirely correct to point out that KCL and LSE have strengths in different areas and are both quality institutions. I was simply verifying the comment made immediately above to my initial entry that LSE has higher application requirements from my own personal experience. Whether there is any point of substance and merit to draw from my contribution is a matter of debate but if this thread seeks to discuss the differences between the major London LLM's then application standards must be discussed. Of course, if one is contemplating studying courses at KCL that are not offered at LSE and vice versa, then there is no point in making comparisons. However, if one is contemplating studying the same subjects at both institutions then a comparison is certainly warranted. Moreover, if there is a difference in application standards it must be asked why that is so. Is the answer to this question (assuming it to be in the affirmative) reflected in the additional fees charged by LSE? Is one paying for better teaching, resources and facilities? Is LSE better respected in the workplace? Is there no difference whatsover and my speculation and observations are unfounded and misguided? I appreciate your response as it may be valuable in helping me make an important decision for my education. I must stress that I am only drawing what I consider to be reasonable inferences of fact from my own experience which is consistent with conclusions published by independent observers. Your input is appreciated, CRS |
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