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Joseph1   Joined: 30 Mar 2005 Posts: 127 |
Re: Re: Views of LLM by a recruiter
Northumbria is a 3rd-tier university with a 2nd-tier law school. Law is obviously a priority there. If you are willing to sacrifice the prestige of going to an older university (and willing to live in Newcastle), you will probably learn as much at Northumbria as you would at a much better (across the board) university like Edinburgh or Birmingham.Mon Apr 04, 2005 04:22 AM It is certainly a long way ahead of Aberdeen. |
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| Soulpure
Joined: 30 Mar 2005 Posts: 3 |
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My question is, why is everyone so focused on Oxford and Cambridge while there are so many other excellent schools in the UK? And frankly speaking, hardly anyone ever gets accepted. I've been reading different postings on here and everyone is like King's or LSE? HELLO!!! How many students can these schools accept per year? And if you are not a genius, or a straight A student, you'll never get in! Mon Apr 04, 2005 09:19 AM Another issue I think is worth mentioning is that for International students, London is not a great venue. It would be great to have a job there but not for studying. Especially if the student does not come from a big city. Going out to places such as Nottingham, Manchester, Cardiff...etc gives the true sense of being in the UK. The people are friendlier and it is so much easier and a lot more cheaper than London. I think it's time that students should stop focusing on the "the well-known" schools just because everyone else thinks that they are the place to be and perhaps try to find other, just as good (if not better) schools, with a friendlier environment! Cheers! |
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| BigPete
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 1 |
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:59 AM Sorry to disappoint you all but this guy is obviously not who he says he is. Right this guy seems to know very little. Correct Oxbridge's degrees are BA's, however he has included St Andrews on his list in the second tier. This made very interesting reading to me considering the fact that St Andrews has never offered a LLB or LLM. There is no law department at St Andrews. I wonder just how much this guy actually knows about the law schools he has mentioned. He appears to have just copy and pasted The Times guide for Universities and not for Law and in particular the LLM! He also seems to suggest that Aberdeen has been grossly overstated - i would want to know what his knowledge is of the University? With Oil & Gas such a large factor in the city, most large oil and gas firms have offices in Aberdeen - B.P, Shell, Petrofac, Kerr McGhee, Total, etc. etc. This rubs off on the firms in Aberdeen, Ledingham Chalmers, is an Aberdeen based firm with offices in Edinburgh, London, Baku, Istabul, and the Falklands. It has thrived off oil and gas and is one of the most respected firms in the industry. The majority of its trainees come from Aberdeen. Considering Joseph works in international business law, competition law, commercial law, Then it is no wonder that he likes Aberdeen Graduates as it offeres LLM's in these areas and i am not surprised that the Energy Department is full of them. Having graduated from Edinburgh and fufillin my traineeship with a specialist commercial firm in Edinburgh, with placement in London Office, i now work In-House for a large Oil Company. I would rate the Universities in following order - however i am not a HR Manager and this is only a personal opinion. Top - Oxbridge Next - LSE, UCL, Edinburgh, KCL, Aberdeen, Birmingham Next - Warwick, Nottingham, Durham, Manchester, Bristol, Glasgow/Strathclyde |
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| lops
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 20 |
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Agreed - George Sullivan doesn't sound like he is really who he says he is. I can't imagine an HR officer from an international law firm being so forthcoming with "information" on this forum.
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| Joseph1 Joined: 30 Mar 2005 Posts: 127 |
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You got me Bill.Sat Aug 20, 2005 04:49 AM To be honest, my main aim was to discredit the original guy, who is obviously a fraud. But I was wrong about St. Andrews. In an attempt to push my argument against "George" too far, I went beyond the bounds of my own knowledge. My original point still stands, however. "George" is obviously not who he tells us he is. My concern was really that a lot of people come to this board for advice and guidance and someone who apparently has an ulterior motive is selling them horseshit and potentially leading them to make the wrong decision. |
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| Scarlet85
Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 3 |
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In reality, I have noticed that employers often have personal favourites among universities rather than relying heavily on league tables.Mon Apr 09, 2007 05:38 PM What are UK Magic Circle and US law firms' views on LLM from Manchester? In comparison with the usual London and other UK universities? I am a non-EU international, and would like to appear more marketable in UK or US with an LLM, combined with personal interest in International Business/Corporate law. Any advice? |
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| jarndyce
Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 21 |
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"I come from Canada where I graduated from McGill (Montreal). I did my LLM at LSE then a MBA at the university of Durham to be more specific."Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:01 PM - Hello?! An HR guy with two postgraduate degrees? "in order to give more accurate informations I will describe the methodology and aswer to your questions." - Not the most literate HR guy either is he? Which is of course because he is, as Joseph1 so eloquently observed, selling horseshit. Don't listen to this moron. Even if there is some sense (see Bill's post) within all that rubbish, he doesn't deserve the time of day. (Scarlet - I haven't heard much about the Law fac at Manchester, its LLM or its ppl. Which is undoubtedly due to my ignorance and the fact I am pretty London based. But the thing is, the same may well be true for many other people as well (outside academic circles and northern firms of course). Even if there are loads of good people there, if you want to appear more marketable, it won't count a jot if the employer doesn't know of the programme at Manchester. So while it makes for a pernicious cycle, my opinion is that for career purposes at least it's safer to stick to the usual unis.) |
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| westlaw786
Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 41 |
HATE!!! LLM in human rights!
Please answer, why would a recruiter hate those who have LLM or BCL in human rights when they apply to a corporate firm? What is the unofficial word on the street or consensus amongst the corporate lawyers concerning the other respective field of the law? Do they regard human rights/criminal lawyers as inferior or with a 'do-gooders' mentality?Tue Apr 10, 2007 02:45 AM Besides this. What is the reason for holding these rankings with a law firm. As you said in a reply, an attorney with 10 years of experience is likely, at first sight, not to need an LLM in order to market themselves successfully to a firm such as yours. That experience counts for more than merely a degree. Is it not therefore logical to say that it is the quality of the candidate that ought to found recruitment criteria? For example, would a candidate achieving a 1st class LLB from a lower tier university fair better than a 2:1 or 2nd class degree candidate from a top tier university? or for that matter would not a candidate from a lower tier university fair better with more experience than a top tier candidate with less experience? The bottom line i suppose is, is are firms using a broad brush to categorise candidates as a simpler means of filtering through applications knowing full well and accepting that they may be allowing a few exceptional candidates to slip through their nets? If so, is it not possible for low tier university candidates to make an impression by filling their CV's with experience and top grades to compete with their top tier comrades? Is this not a form of institutional discrimination? that selection is not a merit based process but a process by which the top legal community all come from the same place? Such institutional discrimination is a hot topic in the legal community and it is therefore surprising that a recruiter has not been briefed on surpressing the firms discriminatory hiring practises. That said it is not difficult to believe that firms operate in this manner despite their mantra's of merit based selection processes. I suppose it is understandable to a degree but is wholly inappropriate for law firms to effectivley blacklist candidates on account of their institutional background. I suppose coming from a US/UK law firm in central london doesnt narrow things down completely but i should think about discussing the informal as well as the formal selection criteria for your firm. Whatever be the case and i know some posts in here are not convinced of the sincerity of your post and i myself have reason to believe that many of the posts in here are not genuine, if what you say is true, those of us here should be greatful at having had the opportunity to see behind the frosted glass of recruitment mentality in the legal business. take care hope to hear from you all soon. |
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Carter  Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 51 |
HATE!!! LLM in human rights!
Nice post, westlaw786.Tue Apr 10, 2007 08:47 AM Those two questions you pointed are important to me too, so I will be also looking forward to hearing his answer... |
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C.Miller  Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 278 |
LLM old thread reborn
This is an ancient thread, (2005) but it's good to see it revived ;-) I enjoyed it very much the first time round! Maybe it'll bring back the original poster too, but unlikely.Tue Apr 10, 2007 01:37 PM [Edited by C.Miller on 10 Apr 2007] |
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capa  Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 164 |
LLM old thread reborn
Hi - if you apply to a commercial law firm with an LLM in human rights, they will question why you are applying to them and not the ICC or UN. If you compete with other candidates who have an LLM in commercial law for this commerial law job, then, you will probably be disadvantaged. Tue Apr 10, 2007 02:01 PM It is not a question of superiority. It is like doing an LLM in Tax Law and then looking for a job with the Dept of Public Prosecutions or ICC. An LLM will no doubt give an edge. However, with so much competition for the commercial firms, an LLM in commercial law is safer. Having said all this, if you want to do an LLM in Human Rights, go for it! That would be an amazing learning experience. However, note, when you apply for that commercial law job, the other candidate might have a commercial law LLM. My 2 cents anyway. Best wishes with whatever you do. Cheers~ [Edited by capa on 10 Apr 2007] |
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ashpavi
 Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 12 |
LL.M frm edinburgh
I did my graduation in Law from India. I got an offer from the university of edinburgh to do LL.M in Innovation Technology and Law( not distant education). Do you think it is a good choice. wat r the job prospects. Kindly respond.Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:03 PM thanks |
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| Carter Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 51 |
LL.M frm edinburgh
Hey, ashpavi.Fri Apr 27, 2007 04:07 PM Check your account. P.M on the way! |
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kelavan
 Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 2 |
LL.M frm edinburgh
Hi ashpavi, One of my friend is studying some where there. Will let u know in one or two days
Mon May 14, 2007 09:41 AM |
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