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jdv

Joined: 05 Apr 2006
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LLM placement in the US
Thu Apr 06, 2006 03:04 AM
Does anybody has data about the placement ratio of LLM students in the US? I believe that NYU and Columbia have the best ratio but I am not sure about it.
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morpheus

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Thu Apr 06, 2006 03:22 AM
Columbia and NYU have about 38 - 35%, Harvard 30% and Yale 25%.
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jdv

Joined: 05 Apr 2006
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Thu Apr 06, 2006 03:50 AM
Thanks!! Do you have any info about Chicago?
Where did you obtain this info?
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fresh

Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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Thu Apr 06, 2006 03:30 PM
Hi Morpheus,

Do you know any info regarding the placement rate of LLMs from Georgetown in private practice?
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asterion

Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:55 PM
How about from Stanford?? Where did you get the info form? Thanks!
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lawpartner

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:22 AM
As a matter of policy, my firm does not hire a non JD. The same is also true for a dozen or so law firms I am associated with in various capacities.

So if US job is what you are seeking, LLM is the wrong train. Catch a train going to the JDland.

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djvakil


Joined: 17 Nov 2005
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:13 PM
As a matter of policy, my firm does not hire a non JD. The same is also true for a dozen or so law firms I am associated with in various capacities.

So if US job is what you are seeking, LLM is the wrong train. Catch a train going to the JDland.



lol, wonder what an alleged law firm "Partner" is doing whiling away his time on a student LLM Board. maybe "his" firm has alot of free time?:)

most prospective llm's are aware of the reduced employment oppurtunities. i guess its a game of playing the odds. a job with a us law firm is well and good....failing which is plan B....leveraging their llm in their home country.

[Edited 07 Apr 2006 by djvakil]
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hannenyh


Joined: 02 Jan 2006
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 01:38 PM
Hehe, well anyways. I will attend the LLM program for a good experience and to be able to learn more about my field of interest (international contract law). Since I got a scholarship and tuition remission I won't have much to lose. Getting a paid internship or job afterwards would just be a bonus. Passing the bar exam in NYC will save me money because I will then get my license at home too, which is another bonus. So one can hope to be lucky, but it won't be too bad to go home and get a job there either.
So no worries - be happy and do the LLM DANCE!
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hannenyh


Joined: 02 Jan 2006
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 01:40 PM
I guess my post was a little bit off topic compared to the topic of the original post. I am sorry. I am just excited these days :D
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lawpartner

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 06:31 PM
Guys,

Sorry I got some folks all worked up!! Though I must admit some of your posts were quite humurous..lol

The post was about LLM placements in USA and just wanted to give a perspective from the other side of the fence before you are down US$ 50-80k and one year later find out the truth....

If the post is about alternate plans, by all means go for it. Do an LLM just bcos u want to do it. You only live once so live it your way. Why not. I wish you the very best.

I like Hannenyh's attitude - do the LLM dance if that is what you want to do and enjoy it while it lasts.
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shapiro

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
Posts: 6
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 06:38 PM
Hmmmmmm....with all due respect what kind of partner are you dude? You say "a LLM", not "an LLM"..........lol
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Darin

Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Posts: 8
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 06:40 PM
LOL, I bet his just a rejected LLM applicant...
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lawpartner

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 07:05 PM
May be my reply was not intended for smart and intelligent folks like Shapiro and Darin...

But if my post can prevent just one applicant trying to do an LLM without any alternate plans other than getting a job and relying on that job to repay the debt he/she would be piling up…I would consider it worth the effort.

(Is the post grammatically correct, Shapiro? Lol. And FYI - Partners don’t always have to get the grammar right, they have trained secretaries to take dictations…)
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irishguy23

Joined: 25 Mar 2006
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 09:22 PM
Seriously guys, give him a break, he is just trying to be helpful and everything he has said is absolutely true. There is no point in being snide when someone is trying to give you useful information.
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shapiro

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 09:22 PM
LOL, Dude you are hillarious. Its "maybe" not "may be".

Speek in englich Mr "partner"?
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shapiro

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 09:24 PM
Irishguy I agree. Anyone can have its own point of view, what is wrong is to allege that you are some "firm partner" to sustain your ideas.....
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hannenyh


Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 219
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:03 PM
Shapiro,
Hmmmmmm....with all due respect what kind of partner are you dude? You say "a LLM", not "an LLM"..........lol


Don't make fun of something which is right. That is just stupid. The correct term is "an LLM", and from what I see in lawpartner's post that is what he wrote.
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hannenyh


Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 219
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:05 PM
LOL, Dude you are hillarious. Its "maybe" not "may be".

Speek in englich Mr "partner"?


Dude, it's hilarious, not hillarious. You should really stop being such an ass.
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djvakil


Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Posts: 35
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 01:11 PM
lol, wow.........the first flame war on llmguide.com?? peace 2 all:)

llm partner: ur abs right............! just stop faking the "partner" bit.

lol and shaipiro...........go easy man! its just exchange of info....
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lawpartner

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
Posts: 28
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 05:32 PM
I did not mean to start any war… My outburst was against two things..
1) Against statements like ‘work experience is something that you need to justify….’.We are talking about that work which might be someone’s blood, sweat, tears and toil… that work is something that one needs to hide?????????????????????????????????????
2) Against unabashed, second rate, indirect self promotion…I am sure there are people reading this, if they decide to list their achievements, even a little bit, it will humble the rest of us. But those people would not do it because they realize what is meant by “the humble shall be exalted and the exalted shall be humble”…

I have learnt this in my career… If one practices the three Hs i.e. Humility, Honesty and Hard work, the long term rewards, both the tangible and the intangible, would be far greater than our limited short term intelligence can ever perceive…
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lawpartner

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
Posts: 28
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 05:37 PM
lol :-)... And before our resident spelling and grammar checker jumps on my case.... let me make a correction...

“the humble shall be exalted and the exalted shall be humble”… correction .....

“the humble shall be exalted and the exalted shall be humbled”…

Over to you, Mr. Spellchecker.. lol :-)))
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Roberto27

Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 141
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 05:45 PM
Self-exaltation vilifies.

[Edited 08 Apr 2006 by Roberto27]
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djvakil


Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Posts: 35
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 05:54 PM
lawpartner......i realize ur motivations may be genuine but there's a reason why you rile so many people up here.

take one of ur posts for example:

"lawpartner: And about the age and an LLM (sans JD) applying for a US job: If I am reviewing a resume of an LLM, I make the following deductions...
1) If he is 22-23 and did an LLM, he had his father's money to burn
2) If he is above that age, then either he has an extremely generous father or an extremely impractical lending institute or has stacks of money himself.

In both of the above scenarios, I throw the resume in the trash can and start looking for a JD. "

first of an actual law partner.......who actually dictates his firms employment policies wont spend the better part of his day on an llm student board..........especially when he's here to devalue it!

but in the offchance ur actually a "partner".......(lol it so hard to call u partner without using the quotes! :))

avoid rash and over generalisation of posts like the one i posted above. a great majority of the students on this board self-finance their course and work hard to accomplish their goals.

as far as "impractical lending institutes" go.......i have no idea what that means. in this day and age no institute (no matter how well funded) throws money down the drain. and for ur information.....the Fulbright Program's primary scholarship for lawyers is the LLM.

so by all means contribute....criticize and share ur info and experience.....just avoid being needlessly condescending and patronizing.

[Edited 08 Apr 2006 by djvakil]
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IntLaw

Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 62
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 06:54 PM
Lawpartner,
I am doing my LLB from India and am interested in pursuing LLM in either US or Canada. My intention is to settle in Canada or USA. I have applied for Canadian residency and would be expecting a result in a year’s time.
Do you think I should do LLM or do LLB from Canada? I must state that my academics are not very good. So top schools are out of question. Also, coming from middle class background, I find education fees in US very high for me. Canada seems to be a bit less expensive. Also, you seem to be against LLM and for JD. But how could someone like me, who would have difficulty paying for one year of LLM, can manage to pay for 3 years of JD? I find that inconsistent.
I found another thread on this site which states that I can appear for California bar without LLM? Is it true? What are your thoughts on that?
Also, on this thread, Morpheus said that LLM placements are “Columbia and NYU have about 38 - 35%, Harvard 30% and Yale 25%”. What is the source of this info Morpheus?
Thanking all of you in advance.
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lawpartner

Joined: 06 Apr 2006
Posts: 28
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 07:44 PM
Intlaw,

I do not claim to be an expert and do not claim to have all the answers. But I will try to respond to your queries.

“I am doing my LLB from India and am interested in pursuing LLM in either US or Canada. My intention is to settle in Canada or USA. I have applied for Canadian residency and would be expecting a result in a year’s time. Do you think I should do LLM or do LLB from Canada? “
I do not know about the Canadian market for LLMs so I would not be able to answer that question.

“Also, you seem to be against LLM and for JD”
I am neither against LLM nor for JD. I am just for taking an informed decision. Clarifying your own goals without ambiguity, doing research to find out the facts, taking an informed decision and then pursuing it with single minded determination and most importantly, enjoying what you are doing…In this case, as our friend Hannenyh calls it.. enjoying the LLM dance.


“But how could someone like me, who would have difficulty paying for one year of LLM, can manage to pay for 3 years of JD? I find that inconsistent.”
You are right. There is inconsistency here. But the point is – after JD, you would be able to repay the debt. After LLM, you may not be able to.

“I found another post on this site which states that I can appear for California bar without LLM? Is it true? What are your thoughts on that?”
I do not know anything about being able to appear for bar exam without a JD or LLM. But that does not mean it is not possible. It just means I am ignorant of that fact.

“Also, on this thread, Morpheus said that LLM placements are “Columbia and NYU have about 38 - 35%, Harvard 30% and Yale 25%”. What is the source of this info Morpheus?”
I think this is a question for Morpheus.

I wish you the very best and hope you find out what is right for you. Good luck!!
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