http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032 en LLM in Tsinghua - LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:26:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#16032 Has anyone applied to an LLM in Tsinghua (not the program associated with Temple) and does anyone have any idea how many people they are accepting, and when applicants will know whether they are accepted or not? Also, how reputable is the program exactly, and would taking an LLM in China be more rewarding than taking one in Hong Kong? Do firms in China and Hong Kong regard the LLM from Tsinghua or let's say HKU highly? Thanks! Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:13:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#16440 Basically in mainland China Tsinghua and Beijing U (Peking U) inspire awe amongst everyone and graduates are seen as being elite ; the best of the best. When it comes to foreigners though its a different story evidenced by the number of foreign language students enrolled in China's top universities (Tsinghua, Beijing U, Nanjing U, Fudan, Jiao Tong etc.) ; its very easy for a foreigner to get into a good Chinese university for a language course but I don't think that Chinese people generally realise this. If you're ever planning on doing business in China I'd say the Tsinghua degree would really impress people. The campus is great too ; nice architecture, big open spaces, nice area of Beijing and the law school is located right in the heart of the campus (though they wouldn't let me inside the building to have a look). Any Hong Kong university is very highly regarded in the mainland (though of course some more than the others). As for taking an LLM in Beijing being more rewarding it all depends on what you want out of it. Its going to be easier to learn Mandarin in Beijing, Beijing is full of history and culture and the cost of living is a lot lower but the trade offs are the pollution, the censorship, the lower standard of living and less of an international feel also the transportation isn't that good but that's all changing as the Olympics approach. Living in Hong Kong would definitely be easier though more expensive. I seem to remember though that the Tsinghua programme was extraordinarily expensive for China - $20,000 or thereabouts, in contrast taking a Mandarin language course in Fudan or Jiao Tong universities, (ranked 4th and 6th in China) - 20 hours of lessons per week for a year is around $2000 so i'm not sure how they justify the huge cost. Fri, 26 May 2006 08:55:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#18467 I was wondering if anyone has received an acceptance letter yet for admission Fall 2006. Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:33:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#34635 The LLM program at Tsinghua, Beijing, China has accepted in the past two years more than 30 full-time students and about 20 exchange students (for one semester). All together, more than 25 students have completed their LLM study and received LL.M. degree from Tsinghua Law School. It is the best LLM program in Chinese law in China. Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:13:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#35093 I concur with Jack's statement. The Tsinghua LL.M. program is by far the best program and the best value for a foreign law practitioner. The courses are practical and the information is timely. But, I must also say the program IS demanding. The volume of coursework is high, but that is part and parcel of the learning experience. No pain. No gain. I assure you, you will gain alot from this program and it will be worth it. Good Luck! Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:18:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#36031 The 2007 fall Opening Ceremony of LL.M Chinese Law Program was held at 9:30 a.m. on the 31st of August. Professor Betty Ho presided over the ceremony. 32 LL.M students, who come from the U.S.A, Canada, Japan, Switzerland, Singapore and so on, attended the ceremony with their host students. 　　At first, professor WANG Chenguang, the dean of Law School,Tsinghua University, addressed the opening ceremony. He briefly introduced the Law School and hoped that every student has a wonderful experience during their studies at Tsinghua University. Later, HUI Jiang, on behalf of the Student Union, introduced the Student Union and various student activities. 　　At 11:00 a.m., the opening ceremony ended with Chinese classical music. I got it from Tsinghua's website:http://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/docsn/fxy/english/llmPrgm.htm Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:38:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#36355 It is said that Tsinghua's campus is so big and beautiful. To be honest, I like serene campus. More suitable for studying. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:28:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#37775 Hi Guys, I was accepted into the Spring 2008 class for the Tsinghua LLM program starting in Feb. I am from Australia and don't have much idea of how good the program is, its reputation (considered by local, HK and also Western standards), and what the courses are exactly like. Also I'm not sure how it stacks up to Beida's program. Can someone please provide some clarity around this? Would appreciate any and all of your insights as I am one confused person! Cheers Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:16:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#42862 Hi ,I am one of llm student inTsinghua,as i know ,i can give you some piece of suggestions,Tsinghua 's llm program has the longest history in China,every year there are dozens of students come for this program from different countries.And i think it's really a good place to study,and it's a wonderful experience to live here. Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:54:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43287 It is said that Tsinghua's campus is so big and beautiful. To be honest, I like serene campus. More suitable for studying. You are right,Tsinghua's campus is just like a beautiful park,living there I'm sure you will love it. Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:02:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43289 Hi Guys, I was accepted into the Spring 2008 class for the Tsinghua LLM program starting in Feb. I am from Australia and don't have much idea of how good the program is, its reputation (considered by local, HK and also Western standards), and what the courses are exactly like. Also I'm not sure how it stacks up to Beida's program. Can someone please provide some clarity around this? Would appreciate any and all of your insights as I am one confused person! Cheers To be frankly ,I think both Tsinghua and peking u have good program for LL.M, but I think I'm the Tsinghua's style.Tsinghua 's courses are very practical and it's apt to foreigner student, in a long view,Tsinghua's LL.M is better than Peking's. Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:10:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43290 Hi Guys, I was accepted into the Spring 2008 class for the Tsinghua LLM program starting in Feb. I am from Australia and don't have much idea of how good the program is, its reputation (considered by local, HK and also Western standards), and what the courses are exactly like. Also I'm not sure how it stacks up to Beida's program. Can someone please provide some clarity around this? Would appreciate any and all of your insights as I am one confused person! Cheers I personally feel that Tsinghua is energetic, dynamic and pragmatic. I also strongly believe that Tsinghua’s style of hard working, moving fast and adhering to practice would drive Tsinghua law school to sooner leave others lagging behind. Tsinghua as the best in country also aims high at being the world class university by 2020. LLM offered by the law school is one of Tsinghua’s showcases, apart from the MBA offered by the School of Economic and Management. This year Tsinghua encourages other 7 schools to offer degrees taught in English inspired by the models of LLM and MBA. Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:46:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43422 Has anyone applied to an LLM in Tsinghua (not the program associated with Temple) and does anyone have any idea how many people they are accepting, and when applicants will know whether they are accepted or not? Also, how reputable is the program exactly, and would taking an LLM in China be more rewarding than taking one in Hong Kong? Do firms in China and Hong Kong regard the LLM from Tsinghua or let's say HKU highly? Thanks! Hu Jintao did graduate from here, and in the future,the next president Xi jinping did graduate from Tsinghua, so in a profile you can see Tsinghua is a good place to study. Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43423 It is said that Tsinghua's campus is so big and beautiful. To be honest, I like serene campus. More suitable for studying. I did agree with you, the campus of Tsinghua is very beautiful,it has beautiful lawn and lakes. Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:53:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43425 I concur with Jack's statement. The Tsinghua LL.M. program is by far the best program and the best value for a foreign law practitioner. The courses are practical and the information is timely. But, I must also say the program IS demanding. The volume of coursework is high, but that is part and parcel of the learning experience. No pain. No gain. I assure you, you will gain alot from this program and it will be worth it. Good Luck! To be frankly, the Tsinghua LL.M. program is by far the best program and the best value for a foreign law practitioner,Tsinghua has longest history to hold this program,and the law school chose the best professors to teach in the LL.M program. Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:01:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43427 The top four law school in China: A++ Tsinghua University A++ Beijing University A++ People's University (Beijing) (same as Renmin) A++ Wuhan University Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43430 Tsinghua's course structure is apt for foreigner students; course is designed in way which is relevant with our practical requirements. Professors are authorities in their respective subjects and teach the class in a fashion that makes it interesting and learning. There will be also other schools professors teaching in Tsinghua's LL.M program. Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:39:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43431 Last Friday, Tsinghua law school held a successful lecture. The lecture's title is The International Criminal Court and Post Conflict Politics in Africa.The brief introduction : the International Criminal Court is now approaching its fifth year of operation. In that time it has begun investigations in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Sudan and the Central African Republic. This talk considers the early operation of the International Criminal Court, with particular reference to the Court's impact on politics in Africa. The talk considers the Court's domestic impact in the Congo, the tension between peace and justice in Uganda, and the difficulties it is facing in Sudan. More broadly, the talk reflects on how international courts, such as the International Criminal Court can influence political outcomes, stability and governance in weak states, particularly those in the great lakes region of Africa. Professor Burke-White holds a J.D. from Harvard Law School and a Ph.D. from Cambridge University in International Relations. Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:45:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43702 Tsinghua has the best logistics system, it's said that PKU's students had went to Tsinghua for lunch. Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:25:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43801 　The Master of Law Program (LL.M. Program) In Chinese Law at TsinghuaLawSchool, Beijing, China is the first formal legal educational program at the graduate level in China, which is designed and offered exclusively for foreign law students and legal professionals. It is believed that the best way of studying the legal system of a foreign country is to stay and live in the society while studying the rules and legal operations in that society. Therefore, this LL.M. Program does not only provide all courses and materials in English, but also the unique opportunity to get insight views of Chinese legal system and the society through close contacts with Chinese students, legal professionals and common people. 　　As a country with a rich cultural heritage and the largest market in the world, China has become one of countries which receive largest foreign direct investment and one of leading import/export countries in the world. Its unique way of social transformation and successful economic development has been attracting the world attention and providing abundant resources for academic study. Through out the process of social transformation and economic development, the country has been endeavoring to establish a complex legal infrastructure by enacting laws, setting up legal institutes and building the rule of law in order to ensure the profound social reform and rapid economic boom sustainable and smooth. Legal system is not only a field of enormous changes but also the most important mechanism for facilitating the social transition. 　　In the unprecedented process of globalization, Chinese law becomes a necessary knowledge and instrument for those who have business, cultural, academic and political encounters with China. To meet the increasing demand for understanding Chinese legal system, the Law School of TsinghuaUniversity launches this LL.M. Program in Chinese law for non-Chinese speaking law students and legal professionals in 2005. Its curriculum covers the major fields of Chinese law. The Program will offer you both unique insights in Chinese legal system and exciting experience in China. 　　Thank you for your attention and your interest in Chinese Law. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact us. Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:33:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43802 please visit http://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/docsn/fxy/english/llmPrgm.htm for details Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43926 Tsinghua has the best logistics system, it's said that PKU's students had went to Tsinghua for lunch. That's right, I'm sure that Tsinghua's canteens are the best, with quite a lot of special food of Chinese and foreign features, which are really delicious and supplied at reasonalble prices. Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#43933 The top four law school in China: A++ Tsinghua University A++ Beijing University A++ People's University (Beijing) (same as Renmin) A++ Wuhan University i am from Wuhan University~ Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:39:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#44987 welcome^^^^ Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45063 Now the LLM program inTsinghua University is quite famous in China. Yesterday, one of my friends told me that she saw the cover story in one issue of "Legal Daily"(one of the major legal paper in China), in which it introduced the study lives of many LLM students here. She said she hadn't recognized that the program was so hot! Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:24:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45218 I saw the story in that issue, it' was interesting... Now the LLM program inTsinghua University is quite famous in China. Yesterday, one of my friends told me that she saw the cover story in one issue of "Legal Daily"(one of the major legal paper in China), in which it introduced the study lives of many LLM students here. She said she hadn't recognized that the program was so hot! Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45220 New guys will come soon in this autumn. I think that they will find that Tsinghua is really a good choice then. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:51:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45222 It seems that all professors for the program are quite famous there. A LLM student once told me that Pro. Betty Ho's Banking Law is quite practical for those who planned to be in that field... Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:35:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45304 You are right , Pro. Betty Ho is one of the LL.M program professor ,and the class is useful. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45305 New guys will come soon in this autumn. I think that they will find that Tsinghua is really a good choice then. Yes,about 30 outstanding students will come in this fall ,Iam sure they will love Tsinghua. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:51:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45307 Now the LLM program inTsinghua University is quite famous in China. Yesterday, one of my friends told me that she saw the cover story in one issue of "Legal Daily"(one of the major legal paper in China), in which it introduced the study lives of many LLM students here. She said she hadn't recognized that the program was so hot! The Master of Law Program (LL.M. Program) In Chinese Law at TsinghuaLawSchool, Beijing, China is the first formal legal educational program at the graduate level in China, which is designed and offered exclusively for foreign law students and legal professionals. It is believed that the best way of studying the legal system of a foreign country is to stay and live in the society while studying the rules and legal operations in that society. Therefore, this LL.M. Program does not only provide all courses and materials in English, but also the unique opportunity to get insight views of Chinese legal system and the society through close contacts with Chinese students, legal professionals and common people. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45309 I saw the story in that issue, it' was interesting... Now the LLM program inTsinghua University is quite famous in China. Yesterday, one of my friends told me that she saw the cover story in one issue of "Legal Daily"(one of the major legal paper in China), in which it introduced the study lives of many LLM students here. She said she hadn't recognized that the program was so hot! it sounds interesting^ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:24:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45683 Tsinghua's LL.M program has many exciting things,such as good tecahing ,plentiful activities,favorable circumstance. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:50:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45708 hi, is it true that tsinghua's law school is really nice? i've always wanted to visit, but i've never had the chance to go there. do you know where the law school is in relation to the entrance from zhongguancun dajie? is that the qinghuadaxueximen? if i go there, can you take me around eric? haha. :) are you a student in tsinghua? Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:45:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45889 hi, is it true that tsinghua's law school is really nice? i've always wanted to visit, but i've never had the chance to go there. do you know where the law school is in relation to the entrance from zhongguancun dajie? is that the qinghuadaxueximen? if i go there, can you take me around eric? haha. :) are you a student in tsinghua? hi,population. it is true that tsinghua's law school is really nice. you can walk through the zhongguancun dajie and turn right from the beidadongmen, then you will find qinghuadongmen, and the law school is on the left side . Yes, I am a student of Tsinghua, of course I can show you around. by the way ,are you a student in Peking University? Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:53:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#45913 Yes, I am. Thanks for your offer! Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:27:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46217 Yes, I am. Thanks for your offer! You are welcome. :-) Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:45:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46218 Next week , celebration will be held next week to celebrate Tsinghua's 97th birthday. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46219 Next week , celebration will be held next week to celebrate Tsinghua's 97th birthday. Oh, that's great! Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:36:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46437 please visit the site blow to see our own dv. http://www.中.com/blog/2007/06/13/go-tsinghua-video-remix/ Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:55:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46479 to see our real life in Tsinghua http://www.xn--fiq.com/blog/2006/06/14/go-tsinghua-video/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqfdhnhgXUw That's great! Sun, 04 May 2008 20:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46847 Hey. I am a LL.B student from UK. I am happy to tell you guys that i have been admitted to Tsinghua LLM in Chinese Law. I got their email on 30th April. The admission staff sounds very nice. Has anyone heard about his/her result yet? Mon, 05 May 2008 20:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46887 Hi lawpat, I am receiving my JD this spring from the Ohio State Moritz College of Law and I'll be enrolling in the Tsinghua LLM program this fall. I've been planning on doing the LLM program for over a year; I spent some time studying in China previously and I'm very excited to return. I have spoken with a few past Tsinghua LLM students and they all had positive experiences and offered good advice. Feel free to send me a message if you'd like to correspond. -CJ Tue, 06 May 2008 20:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46938 Hi lawpat, I am receiving my JD this spring from the Ohio State Moritz College of Law and I'll be enrolling in the Tsinghua LLM program this fall. I've been planning on doing the LLM program for over a year; I spent some time studying in China previously and I'm very excited to return. I have spoken with a few past Tsinghua LLM students and they all had positive experiences and offered good advice. Feel free to send me a message if you'd like to correspond. -CJ Hi CJ, Nice hearing from you. Right~ Ohio State. Thats great. I am doing my final year of my undergrad degree - LLB in University of Durham, UK, and will be having my exams starting next week~!! Wish me luck! Anyway, I haven't really thought about how long do I actually want to do the LLM in Tsinghua. What are the pros and cons? U know people who did the LLM before? Really...? I honestly don't know anyone from Beijing or related to Tsinghua. I am from Hong Kong by the way. I have visit BJ though, it was.. about 10 years ago with my family. So, this will be my first time to study in BJ. And no doubt in one of the best Law school in CHINA! Same, i m very excited about it!!!! Oh, do you watch youtube? I think there are a few videos posted by the 2006 batch. Quite interesting student life. Wed, 07 May 2008 04:09:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46949 Hey. I am a LL.B student from UK. I am happy to tell you guys that i have been admitted to Tsinghua LLM in Chinese Law. I got their email on 30th April. The admission staff sounds very nice. Has anyone heard about his/her result yet? welcome to Tsinghua Wed, 07 May 2008 04:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#46950 Hi lawpat, I am receiving my JD this spring from the Ohio State Moritz College of Law and I'll be enrolling in the Tsinghua LLM program this fall. I've been planning on doing the LLM program for over a year; I spent some time studying in China previously and I'm very excited to return. I have spoken with a few past Tsinghua LLM students and they all had positive experiences and offered good advice. Feel free to send me a message if you'd like to correspond. -CJ welcome to Tsinghua^^^ Thu, 08 May 2008 22:46:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#47079 Hey everyone, I was also accepted to both PKU and Tsinghua and as many of you, currently debating on which program to attend. My question is this one though, from your posts I understand that it is posible to get an intership while studying in PKU. Is this posible to do while studying in Tsinghua? I'm looking forward to the whole intership experience in China but I'm not too sure about investing 2 full years in Beijing. Do you guys know wether Tsinghua also helps its students find interships while taking the LLM program? Also, what's your take on the class schedules of both Universities? I've read about the compulsory classes and what not but I still don't understand wether we'll be in class all day long or however that is going to work. Thanks a lot Ani Fri, 16 May 2008 21:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#47399 I also recently was accepted into the Tsinghua Program. I am currently a JD candidate at Cleveland Marshall College of Law. I am doing the LLM in between my JD degree and will have to return to the US next fall to finish up 1 semester. I will be participating in an intensive language program in Suzhou all summer, let me know if any 08-09 students will be in China this summer and would like to meet up. Best regards, Bill P.S. CJ-- We will definitely have to find a bar where we can watch some Buckeye football this Fall. Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#48040 Sorry guys, I forgot to check back to this site for a while. Studying for the bar has drastically cut into the time I can spend casually surfing the web ;) There was recently an exchange about the relative value of LLM degrees in China on the China Law Prof blog: http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/china_law_prof_blog/ [See posts from 5/21 and 5/25] And here's a link to a document prepared by the blog's author Professor Clarke: http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/china_law_prof_blog/files/chinese_llms_for_foreigners_v2.pdf The document does not have much substantive analysis of the programs, but it is useful to see how some members of the legal community perceive them. With the exception of a few contributors that have personal experience with the programs, most limited their evaluation to whether or not an LLM program would increase one's chances of landing a job at a large US law firm. So from that standpoint this is a very limited analysis. Strangely while everyone seemed to focus on how an LLM program might help (or not help) one get a job, nobody talked about how the skills one develops might help one actually be successful in that job and build a solid US-China practice. Personally I'm more concerned with the latter concern (building a successful practice), and with building hard skills rather than simply building a resume that fits the mold, so I am not too bothered by the overall negative tone of the contributors. If people have specific questions about the program (such as the question above regarding internships) I would contact Tsinghua directly through the website. I have found the program administrators to be extremely helpful. http://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/docsn/fxy/english/llm/llmoverview.htm PS Bill, I'd love to watch OSU football while in China, I hope we can find it. A noon kickoff EST would put us at midnight Saturday night in Beijing. Maybe we can find some other Buckeye fans, as well. We only need four to do O-H-I-O! PSS If you like the China Law Prof Blog, I also really enjoy reading the China Law Blog: http://chinalawblog.com/ -CJ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:01:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#48790 I have applied and been accepted at Tsinghua. I received word via email. I have not gotten any snail mail, however. I have sent emails to both the the law school and the grad. school but have not heard back. As anyone gotten a hard copy of the acceptance letter? I also wanted to know if I can get a dorm room before I leave the states? Does anyone have any advice? Thanks Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49051 I would guess that you are conversing via email with Camellia? I would think that she would know when the hard copy acceptances are sent out. For me, she has been very helpful with setting up the details, such as visa, accommodations, etc. Best of luck to you, hope to meet you in Beijing this fall. -CJ Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49123 I'm going to Tsinghua in the fall for a semester of the LLM thing before coming back to finish my JD. I'm stressing out because I have yet to receive any official welcome letter/visa info, etc... and I'm leaving for China in 4 weeks! With Visa issues this summer, I'm worried it's going to be a big mess. I've contacted Tsinghua via email, but they have been less than impressive -- assuring me that I will receive a welcome package by early July and now being away from July 6-Aug 17th. Anyone know if I can just apply for a regular visa and change it there? I don't have much faith in their operations. Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:50:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49133 I'm not from Tsinghua (doing my LLM in Peking Uni) but I think I can help you. :) We had short term students over too (from UPenn, Columbia, Canada, etc) and the visas they got were F visas. I think you'll need the "Notice of Admission" from the school to get a six-month F visa, so I think you need to get the Tsinghua package before you can apply for your visa. Also, when you apply for your visa, make sure to pick the F visa that will allow you to stay inside China for six months. A couple of students were over here who had double entry F visas valid for six months but would only allow them to stay in China for 30 days each visit (their mistake, not Peking Uni's because they ticked the wrong box on their visa application). They ended up having to shell out hefty fines and not being able to leave in time for the xmas holidays. Re applying and converting, I think if you apply for a regular tourist visa (the L visa, which I think is valid for just a 30 day stay inside China), I don't think you can get it changed to an F visa. You can get an extension of the L visa, but the longest extension you can get is 30 more days. I know that this is the "official" rule (as of six months ago; rules are in a constant flux, much like Chinese law, haha!) but I know that some people were able to get around this (not sure how). Lastly, are you sure that you have to be in Beijing in 4 weeks? in Peking Uni, school opening is postponed to late September. I imagine that it's the same thing in Tsinghua. I'm going to Tsinghua in the fall for a semester of the LLM thing before coming back to finish my JD. Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49136 Thank you for your reply, it was very helpful. I'm leaving in four weeks to get their early and catch a the tail-end of the olympics. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49404 I am currently in Suzhou studying Mandarin and I am on a 90 day Visa. I recently talked to Tsinghua and they said I need to goto Hong Kong to get the X-Visa. I believe the law recently changed because of the Olympics. If anyone is in the same position and needs to go to Hong Kong, please let me know. I am planning to go around August 15. Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:33:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49761 i have recently obtained the X-visa from hong kong. it takes 4 working days and the application fee is around HK$450. let me know if you want more information. =) Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49762 I was planning to go Tuesday, but I only have 2 days. I thought you could pay extra money to get 2 day service. Am I wrong on this? I just need to get back to Suzhou and take my Chinese language exams before I head to Beijing. Also, is everyone staying at Tsinghua dorms? I am getting an apartment, but would gladly throw in on a 2-3 bedroom if anyone is interested. Either way, I plan on getting one in Wudaokou with satellite TV, so everyone is welcome to come and watch some western TV, especially college football. Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:47:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49764 i think they have 'express' or 'rush' service. you may wish to check this out: http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/bgfwxx/default.htm hope this helps. Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:06:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#49765 btw, does anyone know what do we need to watch out for when we go flat hunting in beijing? Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:06:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/16032/last#50004 Hi all, I am in Beijing, checking out the Olympics before school begins. I plan to stop by the law school tomorrow, so if anyone has any questions feel free to email me and I'll try to ask and get back to you. My email: cjw12321 (at) yahoo.com. Also, I'm thinking of taking a trip outside of Beijing later this week, either a day trip or maybe to Dalian or Qingdao, so feel free to email me if you're around and interested. If anyone still has yet to get a visa, I went through a service called visarite (www.visarite.com/), because I was in Ohio and not near any Chinese consulate, and they got an X visa for me in 5 business days. So it's still not too late. Horrors10, as for apartment hunting, I'd check out http://www.thebeijinger.com/. There are a lot of listings, both for individual apartments or shares. I ultimately decided to live in the Zijing Dormitories at Tsinghua, at least for fall semester. The single rooms there are about 2400 RMB/month, which is less than most of what I saw on the Beijinger. But I'm sure there are good deals out there if you're diligent in your apartment search. I'm guessing that just after the Olympics will likely be a great renter's market, as so many landlords will have rented their units for short terms for the Olympics, so with so much more supply than demand you should be able to talk landlords down in price. Good luck with it.