http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616 en TOEFL score - LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:12:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1616 Hi guys ! I've just discovered this website and find it very interesting ! I'm a french attorney and I plan to apply for fall 2006. I've seen that english requirements are around 250 (CBT) and I'd like to know the TOEFL's score of those who've been admitted and if they've received conditionnal offers ? Thanks ! Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:33:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1630 I had a score of 297 / 300 on the computer-based test. I was admitted to UPenn, Georgetown and Chicago so far. Still waiting for 6 others (CLS, HLS, NYU...). Re conditional offers: I think they don't do that in the US. As far as I know, it's something only English universities do Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:31:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1633 toefl CBT 263/ 26 27 26 TWE 5 Unconditionally admitted to HLS, CLS. Still waiting for others. Toefl is only way that a LS used to evaluate a foreign applicants English skill. But most schools paid much attention to it, probably it's the basis for LLM students' English communication skill with people during study session. Some schools set their minimum requirement of this-- as far as I know-- these schools are CLS (260 with each section more than 25 and 5.0 in TWE), HLS (600(paper based)=250(cbt)), NYU (600/250 with section score requirement equal to CLS), Cornell (550). These schools did not dissuade applicants with toefl scores lower than the requirments but announced an negative impact. Others have not set up the bottom limits but declared the importance of score of this test to thier decision. Language pre-schools are available to those who admitted with the intnetion to improve thier English skills but never heard of "conditional" admission that is a common practice in certain UK schools. Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:54:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1642 I scored 290/300 on the computer-based TOEFL. Most schools do set TOEFL requirements. For instance UPenn requires at least 270 points, however, people who scored fewer points, but have otherwise impressive credentials, might be conditionally admitted, provided that they will take a course of English as a foreign language at UPenn. Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1643 When you said 270, I hope you mean it. But you can not be more wrong, dude. http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/grad/faq.html Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:09:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1644 Well even in countries like Belgium they need the toefl up to 250/300. In some places like NZ they offer you a conditionnal place. Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:16:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1650 I had "only" 263 but was pretty proud of it - and got no rejection yet. However, do not overestimate the test. Most Universities demand 250, some only 230 and I only rembeber Columbia asking for 260. But I cannot immagine that they would refuse you only because of the toefl. 297? So far as I heard natives make about 280 if they prepare two whole days! You must have been preparing by heart....? Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:33:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1670 thanks for your replies !! it seems that I have to work... i think my score is around 230. I saw some schools in UK (UCL, LSE,...) were offering english summer programs about 20 weeks prior to the beginning of the courses. I guess it would be a great way for improve my english skills but the only problem is the tuition fee (6000 £)...! Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:18:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1672 Hi all, I will be applying for 2006 entry as well and was a bit curious about the TOEFL. I am currently in my final year of Law School in the UK and had appeared for the IELTS in May 2002. I understand that one may be excused from the TOEFL if they have completed their LLB from an English University. Could any applicant for the current academic year please confirm. In case I have to take the TOEFL any idea how long I would have to prepare for it? (My IELTS score is 8.0 out of a maximum of 9.0) Cheers! Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:09:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1673 shil and nico: first, take an old test. If you sign in for the test you get two tests for free and there must be a friend who has a test yet to give you if you don't want sign in yet. There are also plenty of books with tests, etc. Maybe you can also download a test at at the toefl-website. After a test you will know where you stay. I your English in not really bad, you can learn by yourself, 6000 £ are far too much. In my opinion you can go to an ordinary english school and take the test afterwards. The Test isn't as sophiticated as Cambridge tests. You can also take a test in an English Center and they will tell you, how much work you need. Just start immediately, buy tomorrow a toefl learning book! Good luck! Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:41:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1675 Hi Luke ! you're damn right, it's far too much ! but as i'm working, i don't get so much time to study... Plus, I was thinking, it would be a good mean to obtain conditionnal offers from those schools. suggestions ? Congratulations for your acceptance letters ! Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1697 297? So far as I heard natives make about 280 if they prepare two whole days! You must have been preparing by heart....? :-) Luke, no. I was just back from a 5-month stay in Scotland when I took the test, so that helped a lot. A good piece of advice for any foreigners (such as myself) : read English books, it helps a lot with the vocabulary, because I think that's the most important thing with the TOEFL-test. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:15:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1706 5 months, ok, I am tranquilized ;) Had serious doubts about my english teacher in college ;) Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1712 Hi all Just signed in. I'm new in this forum. My TOEFL is exactly 250. no rejection so far. Still waiting for NYU, Berkeley and HLS. Could someone tell me how to post a picture under my name or in the reply box. Thanks Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:45:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1726 My Account > Personal Details > change details > Your Pic ... select picture ... > send! Post a picture in your reply: see http://www.llm-guide.com/board/359 (casia's second post) Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1737 Thanks Russ. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:59:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#1742 hi wannted to know all information regarding IELTS Cheers! Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#2881 as far as im aware, english unis prefer ielts over toefl. i myself had 8.5 ielts and got admitted to lse very fast. so i would think that ielts score is rather important. i think lse had 7.5 requirement in llm Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:47:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#2883 Hi guys, if you have done your law degree in English or have studied English for a minimum number of years you dont have to take TOEFL. I have applied to schools in the UK and US and did not take the TOEFL and none of the schools asked for it. Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:34:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#2899 yeh thats right...because i'm from Pakistan and the native language here is Urdu but my degree was completed in english only and i didnt have to take Toefl or anything. Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#2946 hehe ... i scored 300/300, which was amazing. i was really lucky, i think. as for the toefl's relevance for your ll.m. apps: i don't think anybody cares how high you scored if only you got the magical 250 points. and, no, i wasn't rejected by any school. (i might also let you know my girlfriend's american. however, we started dating only after the toefl. she wanted to see my score first ;-) Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:50:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#2981 gcvc, did you send an official score report to her or was she satisfied with an unofficial copy? :) Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:07:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#7204 Hi everybody, as i understood from these posts, i have a chance to get into HLS or Yale with 580 scores in PBToefl with condition of having strong background? But the couple of days before i tried to recognize about minimal TOEFL scores and the majority of answers were negative,,,,,(look TOEFL for ivy-leaque ) So i will try to do more than 580 but i think this is my limit, i will know that in fall, after TOEFL exams.....By the way who is planning to go to HLS in 2006? Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:08:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#7560 OH, I scored only 557b :( and i am upset because of that, who can help. Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:50:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#7573 Don't be too panic about your toefl score. There are other things that law school pay more attention to. Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:02:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#7580 Don't be too panic about your toefl score. There are other things that law school pay more attention to. thx Pra, anyway i will send my application to HLS, Yale etc. , but i almost know that it will be rejected (i think i have about 5 percents from 100) regards Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:44:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#7625 Hi, everybody! I am from Moscow, Russia and I will apply to an ivey-league for 06-07. What is my interest in this topic is that my Toefl score is 267 CBT (24, 28, 28, 5.5). As you can see, in Listening the score is only 24, which is 1 point below the minimum level required by most universities. I would appreciate any comments on how critical this outstanding point is for my chances. Many thanks. Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:38:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#11659 This is quite concerning. Actually I did not have any idea regarding manner of TOEFL IBT and didn't really score much, tho. it's over 90/120. WOuld it really matter when I have an experience of abt. 10 yrs of litigation practice in different foras (India, New Delhi) and education has through out been in english. Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:10:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#11662 I didn't think TOEFL scores mattered as long as you got the minimum required? I have asked to be excused from taking it, so hopefully the school will comply with my request. Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:46:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#11667 hehe ... i scored 300/300, which was amazing. i was really lucky, i think. and, no, i wasn't rejected by any school. 300 out of 300! That's really something. What country r u from? Mind sharing with us what schools u have been admitted to? Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:26:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12227 Hi everybody! Do you think that a TOEFL score slightly lower than the minimum (244 instead of 250) could affect the chance of being admitted? Thanks in advance Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:26:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12232 Last Minute: Unfortunately I strongly believe that the differents Universities don´t consider a lot the applications with a Toefl score lower than the one requested. Actually, I have a very close friend with an acceptable cv that last year was not accepted to any of the Universities where he applied, probably because he had not the toefl score requested. Anyway I wish I am wrong. Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:58:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12255 Thank you MAPA! I strongly appreciate your prompt answer, even if negative for me. However, I definitely agree with you: I wish you are wrong!! Anybody else has different experiences to report? P.S. MAPA: what do you mean by saying "acceptable CV"? Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:17:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12294 Well, for me .... I got only 240. What a shame!! But I applied only for Northwestern LLM/K not Ivy league. (Bcos it was a lot far behind the deadline). Anyway, I got the acceptance already. So I think that universities would consider other things together with TOEFL scores. Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:41:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12295 I just assume that the law school that say something in their website about English language condition (such as u may have to attend ESL course...if your toefl score is lower than 250...) may not care much about your toefl score. Any comment? Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:12:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12433 Last Minute; Sorry for the delay in my answer. When I say "acceptable cv" I mean a guy who was in the mid part of the class of a top University in my country and with professional experience in one of the most important law firm. Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:44:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12445 Thanks MAPA. And, by the way, congratulations for your admissions in Georgetown and Duke!! Did yoy eventually choose where to go? Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12463 I am really happy because of my admission in Georgetown and Duke, but so far I have not decided where I will finally go. I am slightly inclined to go to Georgetown mainly because the city where is located and the possibility of obtaining a job after the LLM. Sun, 12 Mar 2006 01:38:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12464 Congratulations on your acceptances from Duke and Georgetown! These are first-rate schools, so i understand that the ultimate choice is not easy. However, if you want to work for sometime after your LL.M.; Georgetown may be the most fitting choice between the two, not simply because of its proximity to Washington, DC, but also because they possess a very good recruitment system that sympathetically looks after LL.Ms. Graduates, so i've been informed. Don't take my word for it, you have to do your own research!!!. Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/1616/last#12485 Roberto: Thank you very much for your tip. Cetainly one of the most important factors that I will consider to make a decission will be the posibillity of obtaining a job.