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Guinness 
Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 4 |
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Hey all,Thu Jun 08, 2006 04:56 PM seems like it is time to re-consider a few clichés (apart from Oxbridge, of course); have a look at this: www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,6734,00.html. Best wishes |
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sabs 
Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 7 |
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Thanks for the update! Great news for UCL :)
Thu Jun 08, 2006 05:56 PM |
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| Ronin
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 42 |
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Powa UCL !
Fri Jun 09, 2006 01:08 PM |
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malaysia boleh
 Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 14 |
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to be fair, i don't think there has been any doubt that UCL and LSE are among the best law schools in the UK. There hasn't been alot of change from past years as to the rankings of the different law schools, so what 'cliches' are actually being broken here? Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:43 AM However a couple things stick out: I'm not sure how Aberdeen made it to 5th, seeing that their entry standards are way below that of the other top 14 law schools. I'm also surprised at how low down the table Bristol Univ is situated... i remember 2 or 3 years ago they were amongst the top 10 and enjoyed a solid reputation [Edited by malaysia boleh on 10 Jun 2006] |
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| sabs
Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 7 |
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however, ucl is is less internationally known than lse. even as i'm going to ucl for my llm, it is, disappointingly, unknown in my courty. hopefully, this improvement in ranking will help with recognition.
Sat Jun 10, 2006 03:29 PM |
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| Yellow Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 136 |
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I don't know really how accurate the times rankings are. Cambridge is great don't get me wrong. As a post-grad there is fantastic academics and great research centres but as an under-grad there aren't really enough subjects in my view (and coming from a university where there were way more) to consititute a programme capable of being ranked number 1
Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:24 PM |
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C.Miller  Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 278 |
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It's a great measurement to get a general idea of what's going on, but don't forget that these results are more relevant to undergraduate studies than postgraduate.
Mon Jun 12, 2006 03:33 PM |
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| Darin
Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 8 |
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SO THERE IS NO DOUNT NOW GENTELMEN. ACCORDING TO THE LAST TIMES RANKING UCL IS BETTER THAN LSE.
Tue Jun 13, 2006 03:44 PM |
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| paul24
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 13 |
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really great news for all who are going to UCL this year..... including me of course !!
Thu Jun 15, 2006 04:32 PM |
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| Trent
Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 1 |
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Tks for the info. I´m applying for the LLM 2007-2008, and I guess I will preffer UCL over LSE (LSE is very good too anyway).
Fri Jun 23, 2006 04:39 PM |
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| Gss
Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 15 |
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In North America (United States), the predominate position is that LSE is bettered only by Cambridge and Oxford. Honestly, the general populace (including firms) haven't even heard of great schools like UCL. Fri Jun 23, 2006 08:15 PM This is just the general perception. |
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| camilo
Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 1 |
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Gss, your opinion doesn´t seem to be very objective since you wrote in February: KCL vs UCL vs LSEFri Jun 23, 2006 08:34 PM Mon Feb 27, 2006 03:09 PM Hey Rah23, I am also from Canada and will be attending LSE this Fall. Too bad for you that UCL is in 3rd place in the Times ranking 2006..... |
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| Gss
Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 15 |
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Whether or not my opinion is objective, the simple fact is that LSE is more known in N. America; that is not to say that this shows one university is better than the other. One simply needs to take notice of such perceptions. Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:03 PM And on the side note, I was accepted to both LSE and UCL - so I am trying to be objective and help people who wish to practice in areas such as US and Canada. Regards. |
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| Vincenzo Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 71 |
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It is true indeed that from a foreign perspective LSE is the most famous and known law school in London. This is of course a consideration that merely refers to reputation and reflects the general feeling of people who are often not really acquainted, or superficially acquainted, with the UK academic scene.Mon Jun 26, 2006 06:03 PM |
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| ColumbiaJoe Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Maybe it is because it has a cool name. Compared to LSE, UCL doesn't lend itself well to marketing.
Mon Jun 26, 2006 09:39 PM |
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| Sarah M
Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Posts: 2 |
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Maybe you are right regarding the fact that LSE might have a better "brand" name than UCL dispite of the rankings, however, here in London, UCL has a better or at least equal reputation as LSE.
Tue Jun 27, 2006 04:38 PM |
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| Paolo G Joined: 28 Jun 2006
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I reckon that in USA LSE might have a better brand name than UCL, however in the UK (where I practice), definitly UCL has a better name in finance and corporate Law matters. Thu Jun 29, 2006 03:28 PM |
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| manzano
Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 7 |
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Hi! I' m aware of the rankings. I have been accepted to Cambridge, LSE and UCL and am really having a hard time choosing. Any advise? should I faithfully submitt to the ranking system or does anyone have any other general perspective? Thank you!
Sun Jul 09, 2006 03:14 AM |
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| monster holiday
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 13 |
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Hi Manzano,Sun Jul 09, 2006 04:48 AM I was in a similar position to you, and chose LSE over Cambridge (despite the rankings). Personally, I think it is a mistake to merely make a choice depending on generalised (undergraduate) rankings - it really depends on what you want to study. Had I wanted to focus on public international law, then I would have chosen Cambridge. However, the Centre for the Study of Human Rights at LSE, and Professor Conor Gearty, was the deciding factor for me, and I'll be reading for the Masters in Human Rights Law at LSE. Different programs will suit different people - in addition to the human rights reputation, I was particularly attracted to the interdisciplinary focus of LSE, and the fact that you can study a unit or two from another masters program as part of the LSE LLM. Good luck with your choice! |
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| AnnaC
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 36 |
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 09:09 PM [Edited by AnnaC on 12 Feb 2007] |
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| manzano
Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 7 |
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Monster Holiday, thanks for the info. Im reading for a Commercial LLM, focused on International Litigation and Arbitration. Heard any comments for such programmes?
Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:58 AM |
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irishguy23  Joined: 25 Mar 2006
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What you choose and whether or not the rankings matter to you depends totally on what you want out fo the LLM. If you are going into academia, want to teach in a particular area, or want to get into a PhD program in a particular area then the rankings dont matter a whole lot. What matters are the academic strengths of the program you are choosing, and the whether or not the Uni has a good rep in that particular field. Thus, Oxford for Jurisprudential type fluff, Cambridge for International Law/ Commercial, LSE Human Rights, UCL Commercial/Finance/Banking etc.Wed Jul 12, 2006 07:53 PM However, if, like me, you are going into the workplace after the LLM, then whether its a good or a bad thing, its the name and rank that counts more. Obviously, when choosing between the top five or six there isnt really gonna be that huge of a difference in quality. But at the end, especially if you intend to practice at the bar, what you are paying for is the BRAND. Everyone KNOWS Cambridge, Oxford and LSE. Everyone THINKS (whether rightly ot wrongly) that if you went there you are bright. The brand, in practice, puts you in a different league. Its up to you from there whether you take advantage of this byt working damn hard, but the Brand makes starting off easier. It opens lots of doors that would otherwise be closed. So, in short, if academia or further research is your thing, then the rankings dont matter, choose the program on its strengths. If you want to practice, go to the highest ranked Uni you were admitted to. |
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| gkevin
Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 1 |
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Well said!
Wed Jul 12, 2006 09:44 PM |
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| Kazaf Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 75 |
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I agree with Irishguy23's observations that if you are looking to actually work as a lawyer after graduating, the brand name and rank of the university becomes very important. Thu Jul 13, 2006 06:57 AM However, I disagree with his classification of Oxford, Cambridge and LSE in England. In my view, at undergraduate level, Oxbridge are one notch above on prestige, with about 7-8 schools (LSE, UCL, King's, Durham, Warwick, Bristol, Nottingham) equally regarded just below Oxbridge. Since there is no separate ranking for LLM programmes, most UK law firms tend to extrapolate the undergraduate rankings. If you want to be a barrister, Oxford's BCL is clearly on top, followed by the Cambridge LLM, and then the three London LLMs equally (LSE, UCL, King's). It is untrue that LSE is perceived any higher than UCL or KCL by the legal profession in England (whether barristers or solicitors). Of course, outside England, LSE does have a better international reputation than the other two London colleges, but this is not a reflection of quality at all. |
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| irishguy23 Joined: 25 Mar 2006
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Apologies for not mentioning the other Uni's, oversight on my part. And I'm not entirely au faix with what the London firm's perceptions or the London Bar's perceptions. Branding advice was really for people who are going back after their LLM. Obviously the English legal profession would know more about their own programs. But as far as other countries' professions are concerned, it's the brand, and the programs that have the brand are Cambridge, Oxford and LSE, again, whether thats fair right or wrong is beside the point. Maybe it is different in other countries, but in Ireland those would be the top three to aim for if you were applying and intended to practice after and were basing your decision soley on perceived prestige. And again, just to stress this part, my comments in that part of my post AND in this post are not based on the quality of the programs, nor are they intended to be a comment on them.
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