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Jazzman    Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 129 |
NY Bar Course in London
Hi everyone. I have been looking in to the courses offered in London which provide training for the NY Bar Exam. Has anyone taken one of these courses, and if so, what was your opinion of it?
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| 5legal
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 16 |
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Hi, I can send you some information regarding our courses. Our company is called 5Legal Training Ltd and we offer courses to prepare UK students for the New York Bar Exam.Tue Sep 12, 2006 01:22 PM If you would like further information - please visit www.5legal.com. Let me know what questions you have. Thanks! |
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| ColumbiaJoe Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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I recommend buying books off ebay.
Tue Sep 12, 2006 02:57 PM |
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| 5legal
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 16 |
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 09:27 PM I recommend buying books off ebay. Buying books of ebay is fine, but note that the NY Bar Exam is one of the most difficult law exams in the world. Therefore, for foreign students, it is imperative that you research your chose NY Bar Provider carefully. |
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| Jazzman Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 129 |
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Hi, I looked at your website which states the following:Thu Sep 14, 2006 01:16 AM "Graduates in UK/Europe who have a completed a law degree (UK LLB, or equivalent in Europe) are immediately eligible to apply to sit the New York Bar Exam. "For those that have not completed a LLB, or equivalent, but have taken the Common Professional Examination (CPE), or equivalent in Europe, and are entitled to practice law in a common law jurisdiction, cannot apply to sit for the New York Bar Exam but can apply for the California Bar Exam. Albeit, once they have qualified at the California Bar they are usually eligible to sit for the New York Bar Exam." However rule 520.6(b)(2) of the NY Bar Regulations states: "Qualifying to Sit for Bar Exam based on Admission in an English Common Law Jurisdiction and Successful Completion of a Law School/Law Office Study Program. Subdivision (b)(2) of part 520.6 permits certain applicants to qualify for the bar examination where: (1) the applicant has been admitted to practice law in a foreign country whose jurisprudence is based upon the principles of the English Common Law; and (2) the admission was based on a program of study in a law school and/or law office, that is recognized by the competent accrediting agency of the government of such other country; and (3) the combination of the law school and law office programs of study is durationally equivalent but yet substantively deficient under subdivision (b)(1)(i) of section 520.6; and (4) the applicant has also successfully completed a full-time or part-time program consisting of a minimum of 20 semester hours of credit, or the equivalent, in professional law subjects, which includes basic courses in American law, in an approved law school in the United States. Historically, applicants who may qualify under Section 520.6(b)(2) generally have been solicitors or barristers in English Common Law jurisdictions who do not have an LLB degree but who were admitted to practice in their foreign jurisdiction based on successful completion of either the Common Professional Examination course or the Bar Vocational Course, a practical skills course, and a training contract (i.e., articles), the aggregate of which satisfies the durational equivalency requirements. "In order to qualify under 520.6(b)(2) the Board requires proof of the following in the form of original documents or copies certified by the issuing institutions: (1) an admission certificate from the competent accrediting agency of the government of the foreign jurisdiction; (2) transcripts of the law school programs confirming the dates of attendance and successful completion of the program(s); (3) a certificate or written statement verifying the successful completion of the law office study (i.e., clerkship or articles) and the dates of the employment; (4) a transcript from the U.S. law school confirming successful completion of the program of study described in 520.6(b)(2)." Just wonder if you could clear up my confusion on this matter? You see I am somebody who has completed the common professional exam as opposed to the LLB. So it would appear from this rule that you do not have to complete the LLB but a CPE course will suffice. Hi, I can send you some information regarding our courses. Our company is called 5Legal Training Ltd and we offer courses to prepare UK students for the New York Bar Exam. [Edited 14 Sep 2006 by Jazzman] |
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| 5legal
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 16 |
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Hello Jazzman,Thu Sep 28, 2006 03:48 PM You inspired me to write an article on the eligibility requirements for feorign lawyers wanting to sit the New York Bar Exam. Here is a link to the article: www.5legal.com/Web_Forms/Eligibility%20-%20Fully%2… Let me knwo if you have any questions. [Edited 28 Sep 2006 by 5legal] |
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| katxyz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 31 |
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Hi Jazzman,Mon Oct 09, 2006 04:00 AM The CPE/GDL is not enough to be eligible for the NY bar exam. Your problem is the durational requirement - you need to have a legal education that is equivalent in time, i.e. 3 years, to a US legal education. Yours will only be 2 years (GDL and LPC) so it's not enough. The "cure" (an expensive one) is 20 credits of study (aka an LLM) at an American Bar Association accredited law school (only in the USA) I'm in the same position - currently doing LLM at Georgetown |
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| ptan54
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 1 |
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Hi katxyz,Sun May 20, 2007 11:00 AM I'm surprised any US law school will recognise the CPE. I hold the CPE and am currently a trainee solicitor. I intend to take the NY bar exam after I'm done with my training contract, but like you I am not eligible. I am thinking of doing an LLM to "cure" the defect. I know LSE accepts CPE, but would that be of any use when I want to take NY Bar? Wouldn't I need at least a significant portion of my legal education to be in the USA? How did you convince Georgetown to recognise your CPE? Thanks. |
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| athilah
Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 1 |
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I was wondering how difficult it would be to study on my own for the new york bar and how long i would need? I have an LLB and will commence the legal practice course this september through the part time mode while i work part time. I wanted to study on my own for the new york bar at the same time
Fri May 25, 2007 10:58 AM |
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| rizpac
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 2 |
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Hello, How are you doing? I have a friend who did study for the New Bar exam on his own. He found that consistent studying for about 6 months to a year is recommended. This time will be even longer if some of the material is hard to understand, then you will have to find a way to get clarification. However, taking a New York bar course will better your chances of successful completion on the first attempt. I would recommend taking out a few hours per day to go through the material in detail. Furthermore, make notes of what is not understood and then take a class and ask them to go over the material not understood. Tue May 29, 2007 06:28 AM Take care Riz |
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| fg Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 329 |
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Perhaps we should clarify what is meant by "study on your own." Do you mean just buy some books online and try to learn everything or do you mean opting for one of the bar courses' self-study correspondence options? The latter option will provide you with practice exam questions, a study time table, and let you know which things you should priortize. I would definitely recommend the latter.Tue May 29, 2007 02:59 PM I found that the bar exam was basically one big cram session so studying over an entire year probably won't help you much since it is less about understanding than memorizing. Most of your work will be done in the intensive two month period before the exam. I really recommend taking a course - it will give you a much better chance to succeed. |
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| vivlee_9191
Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 1 |
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I have an LLB (part-time, but need to attend lectures) and I'm going to take a full-time LPC this year. Am I eligible for applying for the NYC bar exam?
Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:59 AM |
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| trollsoft
Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 28 |
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I just returned from the NY bar exam, and oddly enough an english lawyer was in the seat next to me. We also missed our connection and spent a few more hours together talking about such things. She took barbri and liked it a lot (I too took barbri but my opinion, as an American, is less relevant). She is already here in the US though, and I don't know if barbri has a course in the UK.Sat Jul 28, 2007 04:19 AM The most important thing to say is: under no circumstances should you study yourself, without materials specifically designed for the bar exam. It is theoretically possible to buy "subject" outlines and pass, but it's worth the money to have material that cuts out the stuff less relevant for the bar exam. As to a lecture class or a "self study book based package." It's totally about how you learn best. If you're an audible learner then do the lectures, they're very efficient. However, if you're a visual learner then get the books and bar exam outlines. I ended up blowing off most lectures to just study the books myself because I don't learn anything I hear. Others found the lectures invaluable. I have no opinion about which course. I liked barbri ok, not great, but ok. I assume they're all about the same in value. However, I would strongly suggest using one of them. Your saved time is worth more than the rather expensive price tag of the class. |
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| Craig
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 34 |
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:32 AM Holborn College in London conducts coaching classes to prepare students for New York Bar Exam. I think they charge GBP 2650 (approx $5300) for these classes. www.flexible-learning.co.uk/pages/courses/nybar.ht… Someone also has also commented about going to USA to do get a LL.M from an American Law School...Well, Notre Dame Law School has a branch in London where students can do a LL.M so it is possible to get a LL.M degree from an American Law School without specifically going to USA for this purpose. law.nd.edu/london/llm/index.html |
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| trollsoft
Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 28 |
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To the question of: Should I get an LLM to pass the bar exam? Probably not. Sat Jul 28, 2007 04:56 PM If an LLM will help your career then great, but it's not worth the money or time as a bar prep course. First off, most schools only let you take one or up to a few first year courses, so you're not even going to be able to take all the most important bar subjects. Then, you could take all subjects that are on the bar, and having taken those classes would give you an edge on the bar exam, but not enough that you wouldn't still have to take the "bar prep" course. So your choice is really LLM + bar prep course or just bar prep course with extra effort. The only other benefit is that only NY and California accept some foreign law degrees, and are two of the hardest exams in the country. An LLM would allow you to take the exam of an easier state (but then you could only work in that state or the District of Columbia). When deciding if an LLM is a good idea, "ability to pass the bar exam" should be a small plus factor, not a major plus factor. |
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| melody
Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 1 |
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:06 AM I am hoping to take the NY bar exam in February 2008. I live in London and am just about to register for a prep course - most likely barbri, but am open to other suggestions. I did a two-year Law conversion/LLM at an English university and completed the Bar Vocational Course. So my law degree was one year less in duration than a regular LLB, yet one year longer than a CPE or GDL. Can anyone give me advice about whether or not I am eligible to actually take the exam? |
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| MM25
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 2 |
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I am from London too. I wanted to complete the NY Bar, I heard that its really really hard is it worth it and if so where can i DO IT IN London. Will I HAVE to travel to the US to take the exams?.
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| trollsoft
Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 28 |
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 02:46 PM I am from London too. I wanted to complete the NY Bar, I heard that its really really hard is it worth it and if so where can i DO IT IN London. Will I HAVE to travel to the US to take the exams?. Hard is relative. I assume you were educated in the UK, so you speak English and was educated in the laws from which ours derive. That's quite an advantage. Now it's just a question of how smart are you and how much time do you want to put into learning the stuff? I thought the exam was not that hard (but keep in mind I don't get my results for 10 more days and thinking it is easy is either a really good sign or a REALLY bad sign). You may be able to do a review course in London, but you must take the exam in NY, specifically Albany (so don't expect a direct flight from London). Good luck. |
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| MM25
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 2 |
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Good luck I am sure that you have done well.Mon Nov 05, 2007 02:58 PM Thanks for your advice, I thought I could take the NY Bar exam in London, how annoying, now I will have ot go over there!! Yes i studied law in the UK, for three years. I just wanted to find out about it. I am seriously considering it. Did you have ot pay alot of money ofr the books, did you self sutdy? or did you got there for the course? What do you suggest? I dont have alot of £ and wanted to take the NY bar in the cheapest way possible |
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| trollsoft
Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 28 |
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I did end up passing, so that's good.Mon Nov 19, 2007 03:13 AM You'll definitely have to take it in NY. No state administers their bar outside the state. I personally did not pay a lot of money for my books, my firm paid like $3,000 I think. I would recommend that if you're serious you get some money together. You will need review books (probably barbri). The books plus lectures are $3,000, but if you're a book learner (not an audible learner) then you can get the books off ebay or something and save a lot of money. We get $175 to return the books, so they go for more than that, but nowhere near $3,000. All you need it the short summaries and the example essay/multiple choice questions (mostly the essays for the ny portion). Other than saving 1-2k on getting your books off ebay, you're still looking at the transatlantic flight, hotel, etc. Bar is late july and late feb. Flights in late Feb. are probably cheaper. Not withstanding getting a job that will pay these expenses for you, that's the best advice I have. Good luck. -john |
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| hellows
Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 10 |
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Where do I register with barbri in London ? I would like to take the lectures ect. full time. Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:52 PM Do I have to register for the NY Bar Exam myself or will they do it for me ? Or at least help me with registering for the exam. If you could help me with this. e-mail: hellows@o2.pl |
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| trollsoft
Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 28 |
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 02:26 AM Where do I register with barbri in London ? I would like to take the lectures ect. full time. I don't know how you reg for barbri in London. Barbri may give you info about registering for the NY bar exam, but the information is no more than what's on the website (www.nybarexam.org/), which is not that user friendly. You have to register yourself. It's a pain, so brace yourself. Good luck. |
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| hellows
Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 10 |
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Its interesting . The exam cost you about $250 and the preperation course cost you £3000+ . maybe it is better not to take the course and prapere yourself. I know it will be 20 times more difficult but for the 3000 you can take the exam over and over again you you can finance your flight + accommodation.Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:21 AM What do you think ? |
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| smits
Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 1 |
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Hi guys,Sat Jan 12, 2008 04:39 PM I am taking the NY bar exam in July 08 -am from the UK and will be studying from home with material ordered from a "specialist" tutor. Much to my annoyance, I see that I need to take the MPRE as well, will I able to sit for this in Aug 08 after the NY bar exams as I don't want to make an extra trip to NY just for the MPRE. Thanks for any advice. |
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| zippete
Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 3 |
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Hi, I am from Ireland and I took and passed the New York Bar exam in Febuary 2007. I took a Bar Bri course in Ireland which lasted 5 months, it is possible to take the course at home by purchasing the dvds and materials, go to www.friarylaw.ie. Normally you are eligible to take the NY bar if you are eligible to take the professional law exams in your home jurisdiction ie if you are eligible to take the BVC you are eligible to take the bar exam (so long as you have a law degree and did not do a conversion course). It is a lot of work but 6 months to a year sounds like too much, the MPRE exam which follows 10 days after the main exam is not too difficult however it is required. We were able to take the bar exam in Manhatten but other foreign students sat it in Albany which is in upstate New York. You will have to go to Albany to be sworn which can be done roughly 5 months after you complete the exams, hope this of help
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