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Marije3000

Joined: 11 Jan 2005
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LLM in Spain
Wed Jan 12, 2005 01:47 PM
Hi there!
Any of you have experience with LLMs in Spain? I did my Erasmus there and would really like to go for another year, if possible to Madrid. But as far as I see this Instituto de Empresa only offers Masters not LLM. Has anybody done this program or know of another one there? Thanks!
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manuelsalazar400


Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Wed Jan 12, 2005 07:04 PM
Hi
I searched also a Llm in Spain but all courses are "maestrias" not LLM. That´s important because The LL.M. is an internationally established academic postgraduate law degree. Nevertheless I believe between the EU countries the degrees obtained inside them are recognized mutually. Where are you from?
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Marije3000

Joined: 11 Jan 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Wed Jan 12, 2005 09:20 PM
Hi Manuel
Yes, the degrees are recognized between EU countries but I dont think that they will grant you an LLM degree if you only did a maestria, as you say those are two different degrees. I am from the Netherlands, how about you?
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manuelsalazar400


Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Thu Jan 13, 2005 08:35 PM
I'm from Perú and isn't here any LLM programme, only maestrias. I'm thinking to apply also in Netherlands. Do you meet somebody who did a LLM at Leiden or another university?
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Marije3000

Joined: 11 Jan 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Fri Jan 14, 2005 05:58 PM
I always wanted to travel to Peru, I have been to Panama and Costa Rica but not that far south yet. I have also been noticing that there only maestrias in the latin american countries otherwise I would have considered it. I dont know anybody who did an LLM there but I have friends who studied their (undergraduate), it is for sure a very good university. Its also quite a small town though so depends on what you like.
Hasta luegecito
Marije
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Marije3000

Joined: 11 Jan 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Fri Jan 14, 2005 06:00 PM
I always wanted to travel to Peru, I have been to Panama and Costa Rica but not that far south yet.
I have also been noticing that there are only maestrias in the latin american countries otherwise I would have considered it. I dont know anybody who did an LLM in Leiden but I have friends who studied there (undergraduate), it is for sure a very good university. Its also quite a small town though so depends on what you like.
Hasta luegecito
Marije
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Agatha

Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:24 AM
After finishing my first state exam in Munich I want to complete my legal knowledge with a LLM. I prefer to study in Madrid. Is anyone able to give me informations? I looked for the websites but I am not sure about the conditions.
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Miriam

Joined: 14 Jan 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Sun Jan 23, 2005 03:24 AM
Hi Agatha!
Nice to meet somebody else looking for a Spanish LLM! The only real LLM in Spain I have found is the EULISP one in zaragoza. At tzhis Institute Empresa in madrid you will only get a Master in something. The EMLE program in MAdrid is a bit complicated, I guess, dependign on your choice of universities you could manage to get an LLM but not if you go to Madrid, confuising I know. There is another discussion board about that where they explain it better (www.llm-guide.com/board/117). Why do you want to go to Spain by the way?
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Miriam

Joined: 14 Jan 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Sun Jan 23, 2005 03:30 AM
I forgot: There are also interesting LLMs in Brazil but you have to be fluent in portuguese to do it, as I understand the whole Program is in Portuguese. Anyway, I think I will apply..
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pgclark

Joined: 05 May 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Fri May 06, 2005 01:14 PM
I just found this discussion board. I heard that this Instituto de Empresa you mentioned launched a LLM with some university in USA. A spanish friend of mine studied there a law programme in Spanish and they are really good.
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zobea

Joined: 07 May 2005
Posts: 2
Re: LLM in Spain
Sun May 08, 2005 08:11 AM
Does anyone know anything about the ESADE program and if they offer an LLM? I
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Carter


Joined: 06 Mar 2005
Posts: 51
Re: LLM in Spain
Sun May 08, 2005 12:16 PM
Hi

Zobea: ESADE is only offering Masters. International Business Law (850 teaching hours, which means around 85 standar credits. 21,000€) and Tax Consultancy + Management (950 teaching hours. 22,000€) www.esade.es

PGClark: Instituto de Empresa and the Northwestern University School of Law in Chicago are offering an Executive LLM. This is the only LLM they have.

"Two of the world's leading law and business schools, Northwestern University School of Law in Chicago and the Instituto de Empresa in Madrid, offer a program that combines an education in Anglo-American common law and its application in European practice with business fundamentals of accounting, finance and strategy. The program is constructed for lawyers with a civil-law background who are already in practice but seek additional knowledge and skills in business and the common law. Upon successful completion of this program, participants will receive the Master of Laws (LLM) degree from Northwestern University School of Law in partnership with Instituto de Empresa, and the certificate in Business Administration awarded by Instituto de Empresa.

The program is ten months in duration and includes three two-week periods of instruction in Madrid and one two-week period in Chicago, plus additional on-line course work over the Internet. It is designed to appeal to those who must continue their careers while they study and master a broad range of legal and analytical skills.

Further information will be available shortly on this web site (http://www.executive-llm.ie.edu/), or please contact: admissions@ie.edu"

Best,
Rubén
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zobea

Joined: 07 May 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Mon May 30, 2005 08:49 AM
Thanks for the Info. Are you a graduate of the program?
Best regards,
-Z
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Carter


Joined: 06 Mar 2005
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Re: LLM in Spain
Mon May 30, 2005 10:59 AM
Nope, but as Spaniard I know very well the LLM offer here. That's why I'm willing to do mine abroad!!
Take care,
Rubén
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migsosa

Joined: 22 Jul 2005
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Re: Re: LLM in Spain
Thu Jul 28, 2005 05:57 PM
Hi, my name is Miguel (I am a mexican lawyer)
First of all I would like to comment that "Maestría", "Master" and LLM are in general the same. Of course LLM are mainly awarded by anglo-saxon universities (common law). Since long time ago some Dutch, Swedish and German universities have been offering LLM (good level education by the way), but there is not such LLM really, what they award is their own equivalent.

I think the issue is what AREA of law you want to study: For example you can study "International Tax Law" in NYU, Harvard, London (LSE, UCL or other), Leiden, Melbourne, a DESS Fiscalité Internationale in Paris or a Master in Instituto de Empresa, THEY ARE ALMOST THE SAME, differences are the reputation of universities, or maybe some programs are more research, government or private practice oriented, or for example nationaly oriented Melbourne and Madrid.

If you are interested in an LLM on USA law you have to go to an american university, if you cannot because of employement (like me) you can try a distance learning program (be care of scams), and I have only found 3 accredited programs: International Taxation LLM from Saint Thomas University (Miami), LLM US law & practice (4 US universities, among them William Mitchell School of Law and New England School of Law summer sessions are held in London, and now the executive-LLM from Northwestern (one of the best in the US).

Otherwise, if you want a LLM in european law for example, you do not need (and I do not recommend) to go to the USA, you can do it in England (even distance learning), France, Netherlands, Germany, Italy or SPAIN.

I have applied to the Northwestern-Instituto de Empresa e-LLM, I still wainting for a result and will keep you informed (but it is not IE which will award the LLM but Northwestern).


Instituto de Empresa has also a Master in International Legal Practice, if you are interested, that would be even good for an american JD or LLB who wants to practice in Europe for example, but in my case it is not distance learning and right now I need to advance my knowledge in US business law.

If you want to study "new technologies law" (internet, e-commerce, etc), you can study a Master in Complutense, in Instituto de Empresa, a LLM in London, DESS (now also Masters) in France (Paris, Strasbourg [distance learning]), Sweden, and I think they are almost the same of good, it depends if you want to study in english, spanish, french or which country you want to visit (that from Zaragoza seems very good, in fact I think there is a double diploma, part in Zaragoza and other in a foreign european university).

If you want to study Human Rights, you can do a LLM in the USA, in UK, but I highly recommend Dutch, German, French, Swedish or Spanish universities. They are cheaper than US and UK ones and very, very competitive. I made a DEA in Strasbourg (France) and it is not a piece of cake.

best regards
and wish me good luck
Miguel
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ana buen

Joined: 28 Jul 2005
Posts: 1
LLM in Spain
Fri Jul 29, 2005 06:53 AM
Hello Miguel, I'm Ana, a lawyer from the Philippines. I just learned about the Executive LLM program being offered jointly by the Northwestern University and Instituto de Empresa yesterday. I like the program because it doesn't require you to be there full-time as I can't bear to be away from my family for long. Would you know if they are still accepting applicants for this year's program? When did you submit your application? I've read in the website that the admission is a "rolling process". I am torn between getting it this year or just wait for next year. Since the program is relatively new, there might not be many applicants this year so the competition for the slots may not be so stiff. On the other hand, I still have to get all the documents ready (and the finances too!) I might not have enough time left before the October offering. Please give me info on the progress of your admission there. Good luck to you!!
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migsosa

Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 11
Re: LLM in Spain
Fri Jul 29, 2005 02:26 PM
Hi Ana,

I agree with you. I have not considered what you say about the fact that because of it being its first year competition wouldn't be so hard.

I got to know about the program in june 14, by june 26th I have sent my documentation, later in 13th july I was informed that because I sent the NU application I had to fill out and send the IE (spanish) application. Now I am waiting for an enterview.

I have also considered that if I get accepted, to ask if it would be possible to keep the place for next year, in order for me to apply for a scholarship (all programs for this year are closed).

Have you visited the NU law shool web site?. There is also a executive LLM program with a Korean university, it is closer for you and even better for it is all about law. The one with IE includes subjects like negotiation, finance and marketing!!! that's why they grant the Business Administration Certificate too.

I will keep you informed
Regards
Miguel
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santiago


Joined: 23 Jan 2005
Posts: 25
Re: Re: LLM in Spain
Sat Jul 30, 2005 02:35 AM
Actually. I would not recomend any LLM or maestrias in Spain. The Universities (even the oldest ones) and the professors are really por qualyfied, it is nice to spend a good time, but not for some one willing to learn
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migsosa

Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 11
Re: Re: LLM in Spain
Fri Aug 26, 2005 03:14 PM
I have been informed that I was admitted to the NWU-IE executive LLM, however I am still expecting a resolution concerning my partial sholarship application.

In relation to Santiago's comment I would like to remark that in the case of the NWU-IE exLLM, the organization awarding the diploma is NWU, further it is NWU that it is in charge of law courses (NWU is a top US top ten), IE will be charged of business related ones.

For those living in Latin america, I would like to comment that I visited NWU web site and I found that they have a project like this with an latin america institution (I still do not know which but I bet it will be with an argentinan, chilean or mexican university).

Regards
Miguel
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santiago


Joined: 23 Jan 2005
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Re: Re: LLM in Spain
Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:52 AM
does any one knows about the Salamanca Posgraduates studies, are they good?
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Bluna

Joined: 02 Feb 2005
Posts: 32
Salamanca Posgraduates studies
Tue Oct 11, 2005 05:51 AM
I have not heard about this program yet. Can you post the URL of the website?
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erikaibz

Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Posts: 3
IE ( Instituto de Empresa) LLM
Thu Mar 27, 2008 05:23 PM
Hi everybody,
I have been admitted to the IE program in International Legal Practice and I have been informed that after the program you are awarded an LLM.
You can have a look to the programs here
www.ie.edu/home/DegreePrograms/subhome_masters2_en…

Regards,

Erika
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migsosa

Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 11
IE ( Instituto de Empresa) LLM
Thu Mar 27, 2008 05:54 PM
Hi Erika,

I suppose you know that the International Legal Practice program is not the same as the Executive LLM, right?
Indeed the first is a Master but not an LLM (as UK, US, Australia, etc).
I doesn't demerit it, in fact it is less expensive, very international oriented, and you will have a lot of subjects that you will enjoy THE WORK CHARGE
Unfortunately, BIG LAW FIRMS worldwide are always looking for those who have and US or UK LLM.
Good for you ... if you require any further comment do not hesitate to send me a mail masosa@royalresorts.com

regards
Miguel
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Harvey Mushman

Joined: 05 Feb 2008
Posts: 3
IE ( Instituto de Empresa) LLM
Mon Mar 31, 2008 03:40 PM
From the above posts, I can’t tell which criteria are being used to distinguish an “LLM” from a “Masters” or “Maestría”.

It seems like we’re talking about different names for the same thing: a postgraduate law program designed for students who already hold a first degree in law and who seek further specialization in certain areas of legal knowledge and/or skills.

With the growing number of English-taught postgraduate law programs around the world, and not only in English-speaking countries or common-law jurisdictions, "LLM" has become the international abbreviation for “Masters in Law”.

The issue of what really constitutes an “LLM” is not as clear as it might be, due to a lack of uniform international standards in this area. There is even a lack of uniform national standards within the US legal education system.

In the US, the LLM degree is not regulated by any governmental body or accrediting agency. The ABA only “acquiesces” – or in other words, determines that a LLM program does not negatively impact the US law school’s JD program. Beyond that, it’s up to the individual US law school to determine what constitutes an LLM, in terms of its structure, content and other requirements.

In Europe, the situation is changing, as the Bologna process has established a procedure for official recognition and standardization of degrees at the undergraduate, masters and doctoral levels.

As from the present academic year 2007-2008, the LLM degrees awarded by IE are recognized by the competent education authorities as official masters-level degrees under the Bologna standards.
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migsosa

Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 11
IE ( Instituto de Empresa) LLM
Mon Mar 31, 2008 04:11 PM
Hi,

I almost wholly agree with you Harvey ... mainly because of the deep of your commentary ... in fact I do posses 2 French postgraduate degrees in law one pre-Bologna (a DEA) and another post-Bologna (Master), and when drafting my resume in English I refer to both as LLM ...

However ...

If it is true that an LLM is a Postgraduate degree in Law and for entering you need a first one (in law as well). In the US the JD is also a Posgraduate degree, which is something different from the UK, Europe, Latin America and other parts of the world where we normally have an equivalent to the LLB (Bachelor in Law, Licence o Licenciatura) ...

Further, in the US, except for some specialized LLM (Taxation most of them, but also on Intellectual Property, International and Comparative Law), the great majority are "addressed" to foreign lawyers interested in a program which content deals with "american law", that's the reason why LLM are bnot very popular for US lawyers ... they would review what they did in their JD program ... in fact LLM students are now seating with JD students in their classroom ... something unusual before ... maybe becaused they considered foreign students didn't have the "anglosaxon" way of see things ... however we would respond that JD students didn't have the "legal" background of foreign students (already law graduates).

Because, most of the firms which has undertaken a globalizing policy (creating offices in as many countries and continents) are UK and US. These firms want in those foreign countries, local lawyers with some "anglosaxon" legal education ... I mean UK or US LLMs ... it doesn't mean a French office of an American legal firm cannot hire an excellent french lawyer with undergraduate and postgraduate credentials from a top french law school ... maybe someday their need for those local lawyers with UK or US posgraduate legal education will disminish but for the moment they are like crazy headhunting them ...

Finally, as in other European countries (for example) ... in Spain there are some "Masters" which are self Diplomas of the respective university but not nationally recognized ... it may be just a "formal" question ... in the sense that the university must undergone some kind of procedure to register the program with National Educational authorities ... but the fact is there are "official" Masters and the other Master (Formación Permanente) which are not Nationally recognized ...

regards
Miguel
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