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edwinleeyc

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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University of London - recognised to do Bar exam in Australia ?
Thu Jan 04, 2007 08:28 AM
Dear everyone,

I am a thrid year law student currently doing the LLB University of London (external programme) in Malaysia. I have the intention to move over to Australia and enrol into the Bar exam (legal qualifying exam) and thereafter practice law there.

Will my qualification be recognised by the relevant bodies ?

Will I be able to enrol into the Bar exam after I have acquired my LLB ?

Should anyone have any views as to the above-mentioned questions, feel free to reply.

I am looking forward to any reply.

Thanks and have a nice day !
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jusme

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Thu Jan 04, 2007 09:58 PM
Firstly, what you have to do depends on whether you want to practice as a foreign lawyer or be admitted to practice here. The former means you can only practice under limited circumstances and don't have any exams, whereas the latter involves a several step process. Indeed, we don't have a 'bar exam' per se, but have to go through an admissions process that varies by jurisdiction (New South Wales, Victoria etc).

If you want to be admitted, the procedure generally varies by the level of qualification you have overseas and where it is from. A UK recent graduate usually has to take Australian Consitutional Law and a legal practice course. You can take this legal practice course through College of Law, which runs programs online with short onsite requirements that can be taken around the world. This varies though depending on the jurisdiction of original qualification, the program you took in your LLB and any additional study.

Check out the pdf's at www.agd.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/lpab/ll_lpab.nsf/pages/… for futher information on the NSW requirements.

Hope this helps.
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edwinleeyc

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Fri Jan 05, 2007 05:52 AM
Dear jusme,

thank you for your reply. your information is much helpful.

I am 21 years old. A Malaysian and a chinese. Being a foreigner, how high of chance can there be for me to secure a job in Australia law firm where most of the lawyers are white people? If you find this offending, I am sorry. But I believe this is a common question on every foreigner trying to work in a country other than their home country, isn't it ?

I like Melbourne, it is such a nice city to live and work in.

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llblondon

Joined: 02 Feb 2007
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 02:38 PM
Hi, your llb from Uni of london is acceptable in Australia provided you satisfied the following:
1 attained minimum sec lower.
2 Completed the LPC in England.

Your degree would then be assessed for compatibilty. As you have not been admitted, you may find yourself repeating the majority of the degree in Australia.

Good Luck.
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LLM-lawyer

Joined: 23 Aug 2005
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University of London - recognised to do Bar exam in Australia ?
Tue Feb 13, 2007 07:57 AM
There is no bar exam in AUstralia. HOwever, you definitely must pass the so called "Priestley 11". These are 11 areas of law (e.g. contracts, torts, property etc.) which constitute the heart of the Australian legal system. Launch your application to the NSW authorities, from anecdotal evidence, this is the fastest way to get admitted in AUstralia. Do not launch your application to the VIC Council of Legal Education before you have formally graduated!
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Aroma

Joined: 03 Dec 2007
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 08:37 AM
Could you tell me if my LLM from American Law School is enough to be addmitted to "Priestley 11"??
I appreciate your response.
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 08:52 AM
Hi,

It is my understanding LLM courses do not count towards Priestley 11 in Australia because they are taught with the objective of gaining admission into the legal profession. The LLM will, however, enable you to gain credit towards the elective component of the JD/LLB if you intend to complete an Australian law degree - i.e. in the best case scenario you will only have to complete the Priestley 11 subjects to meet the academic requirements.

I will be able to assist more if you let me know whether you have a JD or LLB.

Regards
Greg
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knut

Joined: 18 Dec 2007
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Wed Dec 19, 2007 09:59 PM
same subject - different degree.

I hold an european masters of law and I would like to specialize on asian law since I am also a sinologist.

In case I graduate a LLM program in Oz, what requirements do I have to meet in order to practice there and how long do you reckon it would take?

thanx for bothering. kw.
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:19 AM
Hi,

I think your situation is the same as my earlier reply. Basically, they will evaluate your basic law degree (i.e. LLB or JD). If it is from UK then you will not be required to complete many 'conversion' subjects. If you do not have a basic law degree then you will most likely be required to complete a law degree in Australia. The LLM (regardless of it being Australian or European) will most likely be of assistance towards gaining elective credits in the LLB/JD program you are enrolled in. This should shorten your degree program by 0.5 - 1 year depending on the course structure of compulsory courses in each university (compulsory vs elective subjects).

Let me know if you need further information!

Regards
Greg
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meriam

Joined: 09 Jan 2008
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Thu Jan 10, 2008 02:06 PM
hello everyone i m doin law from university of london (external programme) i really want to do LLM from Autralia..my questions are:-

a)is our degree recognised there
b)if not whats the criteria to get into their LLM programme

thank u in advance:)
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Thu Jan 10, 2008 09:15 PM
Hi Meriam,

As far as I am aware, it is recognised. The most common requirement would be a pass degree - there is no quota on entry.


Regards
Greg
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meriam

Joined: 09 Jan 2008
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Fri Jan 11, 2008 04:36 PM
thank u soo much greg i really appreciate your early reply one other thing that i want to know is which uni do u suggest offers the best course for LLM since i have no idea where to apply and how?
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:40 PM
Hi Meriam,

No worries. The 3 most prestigious law schools in Australia are University of Melbourne, Australian National University and University of Sydney. However, i think University of Melbourne requires International Students to spread their 1 year program over 1.5 years - I am unsure as to this though.

The other Universities that you can consider are University of Queensland, University of New South Wales, Monash University, University of Western Australia.

I guess it depends on what specialisation you are interesting in. For example, if you are into International Trade and/or Litigation and Dispute Resolution then University of Queensland would be the best option because they allow students to have two specialisation within a LLM degree. Alternatively, if you would like International Law then Australian National University would be the one to go to! Other considerations might include fees etc. Let me know what sort of considerations you have and I can perhaps give you more specific recommendations.

Regards
Greg
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meriam

Joined: 09 Jan 2008
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Sat Jan 12, 2008 04:06 PM
first of all thank u soooo much for your time I really appreciate that….. as for the choices of universities are concerned I m still confused personally I really like university of Melbourne as I heard a lot about that university's good repute and off course the beauty as well :).
As far as the specialization is concerned I want to keep my options open...to be honest with wide variety of choices given in the universities I m confused on that part too but most likely I would opt for something that would help me outside Australia as well. I would really like to do something in human rights or family law or maybe MBA with LAW (combined degree)

For right now my two main concerns are
a) Is IELTS a requirement for us as well? (External students)
b) which university will be a better choice for me(considering what I have in mind)

Once again thanks a lot for your time and replying me whenever I bother you!

God bless you!
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 85
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Sat Jan 12, 2008 09:44 PM
Hi there,

Monash University offers a DUAL MBA/LLM (Commercial Law) degree in 2.5 years while University of Adelaide has a DUAL MBA/MComm degree in 2 years. Other universities like University of Queensland would be happy to allow you to design your own dual degree (e.g. I did a JD/MBA with them even though it was not officially offered).

If you want a MBA degree that allows LAW subjects to be taken (i.e. combined) - there are many programs that will allow you to pick MBA electives from the Law School. However, a 'Law' specialisation will not appear on the MBA degree - unless you go to Deakin and/or Victoria University - which I advise against.

If you are looking at Human Rights then Monash/Melbourne would be the better ones to go to. As far as an LLM is concerned, you can't go wrong if you were to go to Melbourne or Sydney for it - their offerings are the most extensive. However, their cost are the highest as well. If budget is an issue then ANU or UQ is the way to go.

Let me know if you need help!

Regards
Greg
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Sat Jan 12, 2008 09:46 PM
oh, i forgot to answer your question on IELTS.

I think if you completed a first degree in english then it would be waived. If not, then i think you would be required to undertake IELTS. However, the requirement imposed by each Law School differs so I can't advise you on the exact score required. I do, however, know that Law Schools usually require a higher score compared to that of what each University generally requires. (i.e. the University might require a grade 6 avg while the Law School might require a 7).

Regards
Greg
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meriam

Joined: 09 Jan 2008
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 06:28 PM
hello greg...ive decided to apply to University of melbourne..i hope i get in!
i hope i can bother you if i need any assistance

thanks for all your help!
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 08:41 PM
Hi there,

no worries! Feel free to drop me questions anytime and I will try to help you.

I think Uni Melb is a good choice if cost isn't an issue (it is one of the most expensive JD programs in Australia). Also, it is the only one that requires the LSATs. If these are an issue then you can consider cheaper options like the Australian National University - the location is not as lively though!


regards
Greg
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meriam

Joined: 09 Jan 2008
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Tue Jan 22, 2008 05:20 PM
hey..cost is not a prob at all but i didnt know they ask for LSATs.i mean even after u've done your LLB???
if thats the case then probably i will look out for other uni's as well!:)
one thing more i have applied for Bar at law to U.K..i m really confused abt makin a choice between Bar at law and LLM..some people say that its just a vocational course practically LLM is much better while i think Bar is the best course for lawyers!
plz guide me in this regard as well!


thank u soo much!:)
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:30 AM
Oh hey,

Sorry, i just realised that you were asking about the Melbourne LLM not JD. In this case, the LSATs is not required.

I heard from some international students that they are required to complete the 1 year LLM in 1.5 years though. However, I am not sure if this rule applies across to everyone.

I would go for the Bar at Law Course if it allows you to practise law in the UK. The LLM can wait i guess? There is usually no quota for entry in Australia for LLMs so it is not competitive.


Regards
Greg
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GHP

Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 01:54 AM
Dear Everyone,

I am a lawyer with LLB and long time of practicing experience in American companies in China. I also have the intention to move to Australia starting with LLM and JD/LLB study there.

I have learned a lot from the posts above. But concerning to the legal practicing requirement in Australia, I am still confused. What does Priesly 11 mean, is that some sort of couse study, how long will it take? Could I regard that full education with JD/LLB, then certificate with Priesly 11 will be enough to be qualified to pracitice in Aus? How about the legal career prospect in Aus as a foreigner?

Or, if it is too complicated or hard to get the qualification to work as a lawyer in Aus, how about the transfer to US after the degree of LLM in Aus?

As to myself, I do appreciate the beaufitul scenery and mild weather of Aus, but working in US seems more feasible.

Hoping to see any soon reply and Have a nice day!
GHP
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GHP

Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 02:04 AM
Dear Gregory Xu,

I am a lawyer with LLB and long time of practicing experience in American companies in China. I also have the intention to move to Australia starting with LLM and JD/LLB study there.

I have learned a lot from the posts above. But concerning to the legal practicing requirement in Australia, I am still confused. What does Priesly 11 mean, is that some sort of couse study, how long will it take? Could I regard that full education with JD/LLB, then certificate with Priesly 11 will be enough to be qualified to pracitice in Aus? How about the legal career prospect in Aus as a foreigner?

Or, if it is too complicated or hard to get the qualification to work as a lawyer in Aus, how about the transfer to US after the degree of LLM in Aus?

As to myself, I do appreciate the beaufitul scenery and mild weather of Aus, but working in US seems more feasible.

Many thanks for any reply and Have a nice day!
GHP
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Sun Feb 24, 2008 02:38 AM
Hi GHP,

Thanks for the message.

I have tried my best to help you out but there are limitations to my reply as I am unsure which jurisdiction is your LLB from.

Basically, the 'Priestley 11' subjects are the fields required to fulfil the ACADEMIC requirements for legal practice in Australia. They include, Tort Law, contract law, criminal law, civil procedure, property law etc etc. Thus, ALL LLBs in Australia will have these 11 fields as compulsory courses within the degree and other subjects as electives. For example, international law, tax law etc are non-priestley 11 subjects.

Basically, if you were to take a full JD/LLB in Australia, you will meet the academic requirement. Thereafter, you will have to undertake practical legal training (or seek for exemption on the basis of your experience) to fully meet the requirement. Also, depending on your LLB, you might not have to complete a full JD/LLB in Australia. This has to be assessed on a case-by-case basis for individual candidates.

As for practise in the US, i think you will be able to take the bar exam in certain states if you complete an Australian LLB/JD. An Australian LLM itself does not entitle you to take the bar exam.

You might be better off doing a 2-year JD in US if are intention would be to practise in US.

I hope this helps, note that some of the information i have provided might be inaccurate.


regards
greg
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gworrelo

Joined: 02 Mar 2008
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Mon Mar 03, 2008 07:50 PM
Hi greg,

just one thing I'm not sure about. I'm getting my LLB from University of London (actually in London). If I want to practice in NSW, after taking whatever extra subjects I have to, and doing the PLT, do I have to have done the Legal Practice Course here in the UK, or is the degree good enough by itself?

cheers, Gavin
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GregoryXu

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:33 PM
Hi Gavin,

If i am not wrong, you do not have to take the LPC in UK as the PLT in Australia will suffice. However, if you were to complete the LPC in UK, NSW might exempt you from some subjects within the Australian PLT. I am not sure how generous NSW is when it comes to granting exemptions but they do consider exemptions if you are able to demonstrate having prior PLT knowledge (in your case the LPC).

Hopet his helps!


Best Regards
Greg
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