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ayun_2000  
Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 11 |
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Thats very good. Most people are aware that a basic law degree is suffcient professional qualification[LL.B/JD] in their respective home countries to practice law in their home countries and to enahnce academic knowledge most of the countries have Unis providing LL.M. Sat Oct 06, 2007 02:41 PM People who set out to do LLMs outside their home countries, dont do so to gain academic knowledge unless they are doing it from some of the top most universities. The purpose of doing LLMs outside the home country is not to gain academic knowledge, the purpose is clearly to internationalise one's career and by 'internationalise', I mean in the job market-law firms and other organistions and not merely to hang the certificate on the wal of your home country. And look at the various brochures and websites of these Institutions providing LLMs, they claim they provide and open the job markets. People are well aware of the immigration requirements as they are set out clearly in the brochures but what these websites and brochures do not state or keep mum about is the real posibilities of the job market after doing LLM. Most of these brochures and website cite the steps or the positions the students have taken, which are not necessarily due to LLM as most go back to do what they were doing after having not found work. These websites and brochures also donot clarify the possible opportunities of an academic career after LLM as surely masters is a step towards a better academic understanding and career. Most of these institutions give an impression of heaven full of opportunities after LLM which is not the case and certainly do not give any clarification about the prospects of professional life. What clarification the last blogger has provided should be stated in the brochures more clearly and categorically in the websites and brochures of these institutions as a matter of fair practice in this trade becasue that is what these LLMs are basically not an avenue of an academic enlightment but places of monetary expenditure to get an LLM from institutions who treat the overseas students as money making machines without any prospect in the law firms. The last blogger has not answered to the issues that I have raised about the recruitment procedure for african or muslim or similar people from minority groups. Therefore intake in these firms are governed not on the basis of calibre, knowledge and talent but on the basis of nationality, race and ancestry. Tell me why Australians or Candians [even with all that ancestry debate] are to be preferred over British- africans or muslims or even Indians. I have already stated the reason for recruiting Indians these days in the last entry. |
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| Yellow Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 136 |
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Firstly I think it is really naive to suggest that Australians or Candians are given preference over British Africans/Muslims/Indians and would like you to prove that statement. Secondly the LLM is an academic qualification. Obviously people want to achieve something at the end of it but it isn't the fault of the institutions in question if that aim is completely unrealistic, most law firms paint a picture of an amazing social life and shiny buildings and don't point out that you will have to work 70 hours a week and your office won't be quite as shiny as the reception yet we don't suggest that they should have told us that. My experience has been that the best students of any nationality tend to be sucessful in what the aim to achieve from an LLM. I don't think that firms are in any way sacrificing quality. I do concede that those who are second rate will invariably be overlooked with preference given to a national of the country in question. In essence if the only institutions you get accepted to are ranked 100-104 in the league tables whether British or any other nationality you will struggle to get a job.
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| USAN'UK
Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 23 |
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So if I'm getting this correctly, basically, go overseas do whatever degree I would and then basically be prepared to return home. Due to the fact that the immigrants laws are as wuch to provide jobs for citizens of the UK and EU prior to non citizens. Is this correct???? I appreciate everyone's responses and have taken them all into consideration. But I do however have a few more questions. Is it possible for me to undertake an internship at a UK law firm being a US citizens with my bachelor's degree, prior to entering law school. I would like to complete an internship over this summer preferably, if that is possible. I have applied to several law schools in the UK:Wed Oct 31, 2007 08:19 PM 1. University of Aberdeen 2. Cambridge 3. Queen Mary 4. University of Kent 5. University of Birminham Most of these programs were 2 year LLB courses. Meaning, I'll receive my LLB in 2 years instead of the usual 3, and then if possible try to get sponsorship, again if possible to obtain either my BVC or LPC. Any thaughts, questions, comments? Am I completely naive, or crazy? |
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| justinsantiago1
Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 3 |
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Im currently doing a Graduate LLB Course - this is the University of London external degree in Singapore which is probably why I am in this predicament. I intend to either do my Bar or the LPC in the UK and continue to work there. Is this an impossibility for a foreigner? I know this has nothing to do with the LLM but there may be members on this forum who have may have some advice.
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| lmwoods Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 98 |
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 07:07 PM So if I'm getting this correctly, basically, go overseas do whatever degree I would and then basically be prepared to return home. Due to the fact that the immigrants laws are as wuch to provide jobs for citizens of the UK and EU prior to non citizens. Is this correct???? I appreciate everyone's responses and have taken them all into consideration. But I do however have a few more questions. Is it possible for me to undertake an internship at a UK law firm being a US citizens with my bachelor's degree, prior to entering law school. I would like to complete an internship over this summer preferably, if that is possible. I have applied to several law schools in the UK: Students doing summer placements tend to do it between year 2 and 3 of their law degree. This means they have some knowledge of legal terminology. I suspect however that a non-law graduate who intended to convert and then do the LPC would not be automatically refused provided they had the appropirate academic background. I think this means you have two choices ( assuming you go ahead):- 1. wait til end of year 1 and apply for placements for that summer on the basis that at that point you will have some of the vocabulary sorted and be more equivalent to students who are at the end of year 2 of the LLM; or 2. try now. In any event but particularly in the latter case, you might want to think wider than just the obvious gargantuan magic circle firms - there are some good smaller/specialist firms which could give you good experience. Look at a law directory, such as Chambers or the Legal 500 for ideas. The wider you spread your net, the more likely you are to come up with anything. A final word: summer placements seem to me to be a hugely important factor in the overall recruitment process for many firms if you're hoping to stay in the UK for a bit. |
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| janetchu
Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 1 |
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now i am a little confused. i'm an american applying to LLB courses in the UK with the hope that i can eventually practice in the UK after its completion, and/or also get an LLM (maybe in the USA) to be able to sit for the bar in both the UK and the USA. Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:19 AM i realize that in the UK immigration laws and such are strict, but i was under the impression if one has a solid degree and good grades in a course that one could be hired by a law firm in the UK after one's education. it seems that some people have implied there is covert racial discrimination against ethnic non Europeans and also against non citizens, and that it is pretty much impossible to get a job in the UK after finishing school. is this true? could someone comment on this and try and answer some of the issues around my question? |
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| anshul_kalra
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 4 |
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I read about your profile on the blog. I wanted to take some advice from you regarding my career.I would really appreciate, if you would take your time out to respond to this email. I have completed my graduation from India (Jai hind college, mumbai) and I am planning to do LLb from the Uk. I have gotten into Kings college, London and have got few queries to clear from an Indian living in the UK. Being an international student, I do not have enough knowledge on the job prospects after this degree, so what would be your take on this? Secondly, I have thought that after completing my LLb from kings, I would take an LPc course to become a solicitor. Now do you think It would be feasible for me to spend so much at a strech, and expect an impressive return? Thirdly, After completing my studies, say after starting a professional life, If I have to return to my country then would I be getting jobs in the law firms? Also, I have enquired that the jurisdiction of India and the Uk is almost similar, so does it makes easier for the Indian students to work in both the countries?Tue Jun 24, 2008 07:39 PM Few of my friends are telling me that I should do LLb from India and take the masters degree from the UK, work there for few years and come back to India. I am in two minds because I have gotten into such a great college which supposedly offers a promising future and the quality of education is far better than any of the Indian institutes. Secondly, the cost of education in India is one-tenth of the cost of education in London, so sometimes I feel that India is a better option in terms of costs and returns. I await your response and hope that your advise would help me to choose the best career option. |
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| Bush
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 |
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:31 AM So if I'm getting this correctly, basically, go overseas do whatever degree I would and then basically be prepared to return home. Due to the fact that the immigrants laws are as wuch to provide jobs for citizens of the UK and EU prior to non citizens. Is this correct???? I appreciate everyone's responses and have taken them all into consideration. But I do however have a few more questions. Is it possible for me to undertake an internship at a UK law firm being a US citizens with my bachelor's degree, prior to entering law school. I would like to complete an internship over this summer preferably, if that is possible. I have applied to several law schools in the UK: Regarding UK law schools ranking, check out this link: extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.p… You should seriously consider LSE, KCL and UCL as well. When it comes to getting a job in the UK for international students after graduation, I do not pretend to know much about this issue. However, it may be easier to get a job in the UK if you have a common law background rather than a civli law background. [Edited 25 Jun 2008 by Bush] |
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