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bakala

Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Posts: 4
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:19 AM
G’Day,

I have offers from UCL, King’s and LSE.

I was thinking about it and UCL looks great, even better than Oxford (still waiting to hear from Oxford).

It is ranked 9th in the world by the Times Higher Education Supp 2007 - UK. I also know some people who have been rejected from UCL, but could get into the other London schools like King’s and LSE – must be selective (especially requiring a first or good upper second class hons degree as minimum). It also ranks as the #2 law faculty in the UK in the 2008 Times Law School rankings (UK), behind Cambridge.

On an examination of UCL, I see such names as: Eric Barendt, Ronald Dworkin QC and Philippe Sands QC. Bentham also comes to mind. I studied these theorists in undergraduate law!

I have researched it extensively and would put UCL head and shoulders above LSE and King’s. Probably on par with Oxbridge given the quality of the Faculty and links with firms in London.

While it appears I have made up my mind, it would be great to hear some opinions.

Thanks
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cowboyblues

Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 73
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:31 AM
Your choice ultimately depends on what you intend to specialise in. If UCL offers the LLM speciality you wish to pursue - then go there (for legal theory or WTO/trade law UCL has to be your top choice). But otherwise don't use ranking (which are not relied upon very heavily) and big academic names (who probably won't teach you...especially Bentham :)) to sway your decision too much.

I wouldn't say UCL is head and shoulders above KCL or LSE - unless you are looking specifically at studying legal theory. Also I wouldn't place UCL on par with Oxbridge - sorry! After Oxbridge, UCL falls in the second tier of top universities along with KCL and LSE - although they all form part of the 'golden triangle'.

I would suggest visiting the colleges (if this is practical) and getting a feel for them.
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bakala

Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Posts: 4
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:52 AM
Thanks, its all a matter of opinion I guess. Well, that's the thing, those names will in fact be teaching my selected courses. And WTO law is my game…

Decisions decisions.
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Banker

Joined: 22 May 2007
Posts: 38
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:57 AM

Many congratulations Bakala! I have been offered place by UCL and I have been put on the waiting list by LSE. I personally prefer LSE to UCL. So if I am offered place by LSE I will go there. As far as I know it is believed as easier to be accepted by UCL and KCL than by LSE. I know people who were accepted by UCL and KCL but not by LSE and also people who were astonishingly accepted by UCL what I would never dare to believe. (selection procedure is in my opinion one big lottery) As regards subjects I am interested in - lecturers from LSE seem to me better…. But this is just my comment…. Generally I do not think there are any essential differences between LSE, UCL, KCL but still feeling that LSE is recognized a bit better. Take care!
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hjscotland

Joined: 14 Nov 2007
Posts: 133
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Wed Jan 09, 2008 01:30 PM
Dear Banker,

If you don;'t mind telling me - what date did you submit your application to LSE?

thanks.
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apeman

Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Posts: 5
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Sat Jan 12, 2008 06:14 PM
everyone knows lse is a lot better. Having been to both law schools i think i am in a good position to compare. Rankings vary a lot so I wouldnt worry about them too much. Also should say you will certainly npt be taught by the teachers you mentioned. Ronald Dworkin is only there for a week or two in January and is at NYU the rest of the time. He certainly would teach you..though you get attend the open public colloquim session. Benthem wont teach you as he is obviously dead. Phillip Sands was on sabbatical this year and you may have some lectures by him if he is back.
UCL should really make this stuff clearer or their website because it really does mislead people. its a good school but i personally would say lse has a much stronger law department, unless of couse you want to do a Masters in Jurisprudence for which ucl is good.
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Turchik_0082


Joined: 15 Mar 2005
Posts: 34
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:46 AM
I choosed Kings last year (had offers from LSE and UCL) and have to say that I don't have any complaint on the level of teaching. Yes there are soem administrative issues, but in terms of teaching it's fine (international finance).

You have to look very carefully on ACADEMICS which matters a lot!!!

Good luck
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capa


Joined: 10 Oct 2005
Posts: 164
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:59 AM
yes, i am leaning towards king's again.... subjects are more appealing and it just seems more appropriate for me
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MariArti


Joined: 21 Feb 2008
Posts: 68
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Fri Feb 22, 2008 03:36 PM
I have applied on 1 February 2008 to LLM program with UCL, KCL and LSE.

YES, I know that it supposed to be late... but all of the named universities proceeded my applications quite shortly and currently I am under consideration

Does anybody know:

(i) if UCL wrote the official letter and stated that they will make their decision on me by 11 March 2008, is it REALLY possible?.. I was surprised that they stated the term of 5 weeks and proceeded my application so shortly. Is it their standard reply? as i supposed it would take UCL up to 10 weeks (like LSE) to get the decision as I have applied quite late...

(ii) during what period of time does KCL usually response?


Thanks all of you for replies and/or comments (if any :)
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Justin_22


Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 8
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Sun Feb 24, 2008 06:00 PM
Bakala, congrats regarding the offer from UCL! I did make quite a research of the schools in London myself and must say my opinion meets yours at this point - UCL does seem to be the best in general. I'll see you there in September ;)

Short comments on others (my personal opinion after research):
(i) LSE - has the best name;
(ii) Oxbridge - very good but "oldschool". Perfect for academic-wanna-be's;
(iii) King's - kind of 3rd in London. Best at competition law though;
(iv) QMC - may be considered as your choice if you're opting for commercial law studies (strong Commercial Law Centre).

Btw, does anyone have an idea how are Banking and Finance Law related subjects at UCL?

Thank you for your answers

JS

[Edited 28 Feb 2008 by Justin_22]
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Banker

Joined: 22 May 2007
Posts: 38
UCL - LSE - King's: LONDON
Mon Feb 25, 2008 09:13 AM
Hi Justin, I am interested in Banking & Financial law as well. I applied to both LSE and UCL. I have been accepted by UCL and still waiting for LSE. I rate LSE slightly better in this field of law over UCL. LSE offers more subjects in this field and managed to obtain the best teachers. On the other hand subject “Aspects of International Finance” at UCL is said to be the best and most popular subject in this area taught in London. So it is tough decision. Anyway I guess both schools are of the top quality. If not accepted by LSE I will do not hesitate and go to UCL.
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