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Is cardiff better than Manchester, Durham, Nottingham, Edinburgh?

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pratish

Joined: 18 Dec 2007
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Is cardiff better than Manchester, Durham, Nottingham, Edinburgh?
Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:55 AM
Hi all. I met someone online and he has completed his LLM from Cardiff and he was saying that Cardiff is the next best university for Corporate/Commercial Law after University of London Colleges. Can you tell me how far it is true? And can anyone tell me the preference of universities for LLM Commercial/Corporate Law. Thankyou
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Nina23

Joined: 26 May 2007
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 07:09 PM
Hello!

I am doing LLM in Commercial Law in Edinburgh. I really enjoy the course as well as Edinburgh itself. Edinburgh is fantastic University! I don't know anything about Cardiff, but I believe you will really enjoy Edinburgh.

Good luck!!!
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EDIpostgrad

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 01:25 PM
Never been to the other unis but declined to attend Durham and Nottingham to choose Edinburgh and have never regretted it! The faculty and research facilities available are excellent and the social life is great, too. Not only are there a wide variety of courses but there are also many out of class seminars and lectures that help enrich the learning experience here. I did the LLM and then returned after practicing law to do a PhD at Edinburgh as well!
From a tourist point of view, Edinburgh cannot be beat either!
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Vincenzo

Joined: 16 May 2005
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Tue Apr 15, 2008 05:07 PM
i think there's a huge misunderstanding regarding the reputation of london universities.
if you look at many top professors in the field of corporate and commercial law, they don't teach in london, as simple as that.
outside oxford and cambridge, there're a number of universities across the uk which can compete with the london colleges as they boost excellent professors and lecturers.
what you have in london, and that's unique, is the market, the city, and a concentration of institutions that can help you for your future career.
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pedrinus

Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Tue Apr 15, 2008 05:19 PM
So vicenzo..

Outside London where would you go?

Durham?
Manchester?
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Vincenzo

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Tue Apr 15, 2008 05:33 PM
i went to manchester, but that depends on what you want to study...
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pedrinus

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Tue Apr 15, 2008 06:17 PM
Manchester is great. I got accepted there for the Business law course.

Durham again good reputation...good selection in Commercial. It is a hard choice!!!
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Vincenzo

Joined: 16 May 2005
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Tue Apr 15, 2008 07:35 PM
just try to figure out what modules specifically you think you want to follow, and from that premse the choice won't be that difficult.
if you need any info on mancs just let me know
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Brett

Joined: 11 Feb 2008
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 05:17 PM
I'm sorry, that is just not true, there are several 'commercial' academics in London, many of which teach, Professor Whish at King's, Professor Korah, Professor Jones, I could go on, for a long time, It's widely the London Colleges have many top academics. To say that there is a misunderstanding regarding the reputation of the London colleges is just rubbish, coming from a biased view. Every employer I've spoken to has informally advised that if you have a good degree, they want Oxbridge or London, but if you need to improve a 2.2, look elsewhere. I would struggle to find a commercial barrister with an LLM from anywhere else.

And Roy Goode, one of the most renowned Commercial academics, is an Oxford and University of London academic.

[Edited 16 Apr 2008 by Brett]
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pedrinus

Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 05:31 PM
The problem is that most people overate the schools outside London when they are good and hard to get is as well! Everyone assumes that just because it is outside London is rubbish when it is not!!!! Manchester are Durham are ranked high in the UK and for the obvious reasons.

I don't think the entrance requirements in some of the London colleges are as strict as for example Durham or Manchester. !!
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pedrinus

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Wed Apr 16, 2008 05:34 PM
I meant Underrate sorry...!!! Schools outside London are underrated by most people!!!
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Vincenzo

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Wed Apr 16, 2008 06:10 PM
well i'm not that biased since the university of manchester doesn't pay me!!!
and again i can confirm what i said, that there's a huge number of illustrious academics (not only professors) in the above field who work outside london. and if you think about that it's quite obvious: for the same or similar salary they get a better quality of life and better academic facilities (in other words, a teaching fellow, a lecturer and so on will always choose a university outside london).
i don't know much about barristers' careers, but if you have a look at big law firms in london there's an overwhelming number of people who get their education in the remotest universities in the UK!!! the only requirement employers make is that the uni has to be a "red brick" one!!!
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Brett

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Wed Apr 16, 2008 07:27 PM
This appears to be somewhat straying from the subject matter of the original post. The stats don't lie, it is quite clear from the University rankings, in all respects, that the University of London colleges offer better teaching, facilities and graduate prospects. Additionally it is not 'obvious' that academics would wish to work outside London, I know several that simply commute, solving that problem.

Returning to the original thread, Pratish, from my understanding Cardiff would be in a lower tier than the four other Universities, and if you have ruled out London, then between these four, there is not much to choose; it would come down to looking at them in more detail, depending on what it is you want from your degree.

[Edited 16 Apr 2008 by Brett]
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Vincenzo

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Wed Apr 16, 2008 08:03 PM
university rankings have to be looked at under the right perspective. first of all they are based mostly on ug courses, not on llm. second they are extremely volatile and from one year to the other a faculty can either drop or gain several positions.
relying on rankings for the llm choice would be extremely superficial.
as said before, rather look at what subject are underpinning your interest, and choose consequently an llm that offers good teaching in that field.
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pedrinus

Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 09:58 PM
I will keep saying that those four Universities which are very good are very underrated..
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prashbez

Joined: 30 Jul 2007
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:31 PM
Hi

I'm from Delhi, India. I also got email confirmation today that I got admission to Manchester Univ. for the LLM in International Business Law.

Cheers
Prashant
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Besim_hatinoglu

Joined: 25 Apr 2008
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 08:01 AM
Commercial Law? But this is too wide. Which area in commercial law?

Maritime law? Then you have three choices: Nottingham, UCL or Southampton.

Well, let's narrow down the subject a bit more.

Conflict of Laws? Oxford (Briggs), Nottingham (Fawcett), LSE (Hartley) or Bristol (Hill).

International Sale of Goods? LSE (Bridge)

International Trade Finance? Nottingham (Bennett)

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Vincenzo

Joined: 16 May 2005
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 09:19 AM
if u're going to study maritime law, i'd definitely go for cardiff as it seems they've got a good tradtion in that field.
for general commercial law probably nottingham is the best
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EDIpostgrad

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:25 AM
Pratish, it seems that this post has gone from business law to maritime law...what is it that you actually want to do? Study in the UK then return home or stay in the UK for a bit? If you are not planning to stay in the UK your LLM options are much more flexible. There are many great institutions in the UK, all of which provide top educations. Not every programme is right for every person so think about your end game and then you will have a better starting point. If you are self-funding, you will definitely want to choose a place outside of London as it is far more expensive to live there than any other place in Britain so don't limit yourself to London unis if you aren't, or even if you are, planning to stay in the UK. There are just too many other excellent options.
Good luck!
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