http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159 en YOUR AGE - LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:30:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42159 If you are applying for an LLM program please, point out your age please. I am just wondering about the avarage age of everyone. Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:33:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42160 25 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:55:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42163 26 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42164 23 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42165 26 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42167 22 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:58:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42169 24 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:12:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42173 25 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:15:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42174 27, the oldest!!!!! Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:24:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42178 I'm 28...feeling old.... Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42183 24 years, 6 months, 20 days, 4 hours, 16 min and a few seconds I guess Hope this will help you... Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:16:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42184 28. Sloan, you're not alone... Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:30:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42185 29 - damn, i'm old! Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:53:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42191 22 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:55:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42192 25 looks like average is about 25 -26 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42193 24 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:24:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42195 28...I do not consider myself old!!! :-) Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:47:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42199 28 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42202 28! Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:22:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42204 29....and as ellelem I do not consider myself old! Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:37:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42208 21 ;-) Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:47:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42218 22 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:51:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42219 24 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:55:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42220 26,5 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:06:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42223 32. Other 30s? Am I the oldest? :-) Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:46:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42228 Chezarle you are the oldest! :-) Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42234 28 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:38:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42244 29 and coming close to 30 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:07:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42248 28, average is getting higher!! Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:48:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42258 I just turned 24 last week! Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:01:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42260 26 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:21:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42263 25 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42265 ...27.. Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:51:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42267 Chezarle we're even! ...32... Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:16:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42272 29 :P Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:18:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42274 vferreirapinto, thanks a lot! We are increasing the average! Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:37:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42277 28 turning 29 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:02:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42289 20... Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:21:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42291 25 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:30:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42300 21 :) Among the youngest :D Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42303 28 - but 29 by the end of the month. Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:58:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42318 I just turned 29 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42328 Chezarle you are the oldest! :-) Not quite, I'm 33! I've now officially "skewed the average." By the way, some of you seem far too young to be pursuing LL.M. degrees...I didn't even begin law school (American J.D. program) until I was 24. At 22, I was still serving in the Navy for goodness' sake! Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:27:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42329 32. Other 30s? Am I the oldest? :-) Don't feel bad, my friend...I'm sure we're the "wisest" of the group! ;) Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:51:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42332 26 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42335 26 turning 27 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:47:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42354 23- turning 24 next month. Th egroup is not all that old as I always thought. 25-26 is the average age! Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:22:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42356 21! wouhou Faten!! lol Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:17:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42363 23... Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:41:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42379 30... turning 31 in a few days... I studied my first master degree at LSE at the age of 25 and I was one of the youngest of the class... there were 20's, 30's, and a couple of guys in their 40's... it really did not make a difference back then, except that I found out that diversity was one of the fun aspects to study abroad. Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:34:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42387 Chezarle you are the oldest! :-) Not quite, I'm 33! I've now officially "skewed the average." By the way, some of you seem far too young to be pursuing LL.M. degrees...I didn't even begin law school (American J.D. program) until I was 24. At 22, I was still serving in the Navy for goodness' sake! badkarma56, in my case, at 22, I enrolled in my first law school on a part-time basis while working for a company in Tokyo. Like memo_z's case, there were 20s, 30s, and even 60s(!) in my class. I was impressed to see such a old guy studying law. Also, thank you for your message. I believe you are the "wisest"! Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:06:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42401 29, turning 30 soon. Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:07:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42404 Ouch, I am 34...and I am sooooooo worried that my age will be a problem being admitted to an LLM program. What do you think, too old?!? Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:36:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42712 Just turned 23 :) though, I am applying to UK... Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:48:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42713 18 lol Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:03:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42714 103... and on my night table i have a picture of me and joe di maggio playing together... :-) Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:50:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42721 I am 24. I think it is invaluable to work in the real world for at least a year before heading off to do any LLM or BCL. Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:29:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42737 turned 23 a few weeks ago Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:07:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42742 27 and adding... Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:07:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42750 Ouch, I am 34...and I am sooooooo worried that my age will be a problem being admitted to an LLM program. What do you think, too old?!? @ botolo86 I am 34 too. Man, we are such an old man in this forum!!! Anyway, I got in to several top 14 schools, so I don't think you need to worry about your age seriously. :) At least in a quantitative respect, we have more life/professional experience compared to other applicants in their (even early!) twenties, so make use of your forte. :) Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42877 32 ...I don't think the age is a big issue when applying for an LLM Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:08:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42879 I was 34 when I applied for llm, but I got 4 schools. So your age doesn't matter. Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:22:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42885 So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more. Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:03:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42892 So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more. My friend, you can keep that "associate" stuff all for yourself...I've "been there" & "done that" and have NO desire to return to a firm (no more 100 hour work-weeks for me)! My goal is to become a law professor after the LL.M. Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:14:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42893 Count me in! I also got ad. Cheer up! Ouch, I am 34...and I am sooooooo worried that my age will be a problem being admitted to an LLM program. What do you think, too old?!? @ botolo86 I am 34 too. Man, we are such an old man in this forum!!! Anyway, I got in to several top 14 schools, so I don't think you need to worry about your age seriously. :) At least in a quantitative respect, we have more life/professional experience compared to other applicants in their (even early!) twenties, so make use of your forte. :) Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:17:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#42970 OK I'm 32 and actually I don't feel old:) My daughters think I look pretty good:) So you should give yourself more credit ... I don't know if I'll aim for the BIG Firms, but I hope my age and the fact of being a SAHM ( stay at home mom) will not affect my career... So will you guys (over 30s) be gunning for associate positions against the rest of us? I'm 24. And no offence, I feel kinda old:(. At the very least, I don't feel young and perky any more. Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:02:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43048 OK I'm 32 and actually I don't feel old:) My daughters think I look pretty good:) So you should give yourself more credit ... I don't know if I'll aim for the BIG Firms, but I hope my age and the fact of being a SAHM ( stay at home mom) will not affect my career... You're kidding, right? Thirty-two is not "old" by any reasonable standard! In fact, a certain amount of "maturity" is required in order to effectively "bill hours" at a major firm. Besides, there are all sorts of other opportunites out there for lawyers...I practiced corporate law at a big firm for a year and absolutely hated it (the work, primarily M&A, was dull and soulless). Following the firm, my next two jobs (law clerk to a federal court of appeals judge and full-time undergraduate professor-my current gig) were/are much more rewarding and interesting. Incidentally, firm life is not particularly "healthy" for parents with young children...with all of the hours you'd have to work, you'll barely see your kids (you'll be able to afford an expensive nanny though)! Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:24:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43061 I totally agree with badkarma56. 32 is no time to sit back and retire. Anybody can even start a new profession. Unlike badkrama56, I am kinda satisfied with my current firm life. (Yes, It is definitely fierce and mostly soulless. But, I need money!) However, I don’t want to die as a life-long litigator, and I am seriously thinking about making a career move in the near future (hopefully with 3-4 years as a partner). I just hope that US LLM and US bar (I have both in my own country) can give me a better shot when the time has come... Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:44:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43567 Well, I am the one who created this Post and I am 29 almost 30. I think there are really young people applying around here. I, myself, thought about applying a few years before, but I chose working instead and getting more experienced. I believe there are lots of young fellows around that wouldnt get too much from their school if they get into the LLM courses right now. I am just wondering anyways. Maybe the age level will increase according to what I am seeing around here. Keep posting your age! Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:47:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43568 31...actually turning 32 next June Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:44:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43575 To MarkBrazil Dude, no offence, but whether a person gets more out of graduate studies will NOT depend on his/her age. I am 24/25, had 2 years exprience and truth be told: i have matured somewhat since I graduated from my LLB. However, I have met some 21 LLBs who are extremely intellegent and mature. They are insightful not just to legal analysis, but also towards personal relations/social interactions. At the very least, the admissions committee thought they were smart and mature enough to attend LLM classes with their older and "wiser" counterparts. Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:22:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43576 Mr. MarkBrazil; I would expect a wiser, more worldly understanding from someone of your golden years; you're embarrassing us in front of the children. You clearly can't say that a younger person will "get" less from a year of school than you will, unless you've attended an LL.M program every year since you turned 21, and concluded that the last three were significantly better than the first. Mr. Easter is entirely correct in his outrage, and even more impressive in his ability to be two different ages at once. Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43577 Bender I'm 24 now but will be 25 when I start LLM. DUHHH Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:38:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43578 That's such a shame: you had me convinced that you were just trying to be adorable: like when a toddler is "six, but going on seven". You would have been the cutest kid in the LL.M! Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43587 Guys, I think everybody has got a portion of right in this dispute... I can just tell you one thing from my point of view. I tested on myself what means on the one hand "working before studying" and on the other hand "studying before working". I have worked since 2005 working on, and running, securities offering documents published under the US Securities Act. On the closing date of a standard deal (e.g., an issuance of shares), generally, a law firm (legal advisor of one party in the transaction) issues a "legal opinion" - often a so-called "10b-5 opinion". Well, when I saw my first draft of such an opinion, I never studied Rule 10b-5 of the US Securities Act in a "Securities Regulation" course. But with the months, drafting and re-drafting, opinions over opinions, I could understand the real scope and purpose of this opinion, and its underlying legal foundation, i.e., the Rule 10b-5. Morevoer, I had the chance to attend a "Corporations" course in Leiden - during the Columbia Summer Program - taught by a very good teacher, and there I got my first complete explanation of such a rule. Very often, while listening to him, I realized that I had already lived certain factual situations that he was describing from a strict legal viewpoint. In this sense, and in my specific case, a deeper study of "Securities Regulation" in an LL.M. may strenghten my "work-based" knowledge in this matter. From the other point of view, it's certainly true that is quite difficult to a student without work experience that he may completely appreciate certain shades during the description of laws and rules that I described above. That's it. Of course, without offence to anybody. Best regards! Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:30:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43588 Mr. Bender e/or Easter. I believe there was a misunderstanding of my sentences above. What I noticed due the topic I proposed, is that most of the students applying are in their mid 20"s, and some are really young. Therefore, in my opinion (see, an opinion) I believe these students wouldn't get too much from their school especially with the change of professional experiences, which I think its important. It does not mean that they'll waste their time taking an LLM program. No way! I was just making an observation. The way you guys replied "no offence" or whatever, was quite disturbing. I never said that younger ones shouldn't take an LLM course, I just think they wont get too much from their course. If they get, great, congratulations, excellent! Anyways, like I said it was just an observation. An opinion. And yes, I am in my golden years and got a lot of background experience to share with everyone that it is interesed. You guys need to chill out and smile. No ofence. Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:39:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43590 And Mr. Easter/Bender in case you want to know, I have 3 graduate courses study levels after my LLB already. (5 years for my LLB and other 4 years of graduate studies in Public Law, International Trade and Taxation). I was thinking if an LLM abroad would be be worth it (I concluded yes). In my experience, the course I took last time was the one that I got the most of it, because I believe I was more experienced and so were my classmates. These 3 courses I took in Brazil correspond to more than 360 hour classes per year (for each year and they were 4), which is quite more than an LLM in US. I am just looking for an international experience. Anywyas if you guys thought I was discouraging young ones to take an LLM you got the whole gist wrong. Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:42:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43592 Guys, I think everybody has got a portion of right in this dispute... I can just tell you one thing from my point of view. I tested on myself what means on the one hand "working before studying" and on the other hand "studying before working". I have worked since 2005 working on, and running, securities offering documents published under the US Securities Act. On the closing date of a standard deal (e.g., an issuance of shares), generally, a law firm (legal advisor of one party in the transaction) issues a "legal opinion" - often a so-called "10b-5 opinion". Well, when I saw my first draft of such an opinion, I never studied Rule 10b-5 of the US Securities Act in a "Securities Regulation" course. But with the months, drafting and re-drafting, opinions over opinions, I could understand the real scope and purpose of this opinion, and its underlying legal foundation, i.e., the Rule 10b-5. Morevoer, I had the chance to attend a "Corporations" course in Leiden - during the Columbia Summer Program - taught by a very good teacher, and there I got my first complete explanation of such a rule. Very often, while listening to him, I realized that I had already lived certain factual situations that he was describing from a strict legal viewpoint. In this sense, and in my specific case, a deeper study of "Securities Regulation" in an LL.M. may strenghten my "work-based" knowledge in this matter. From the other point of view, it's certainly true that is quite difficult to a student without work experience that he may completely appreciate certain shades during the description of laws and rules that I described above. That's it. Of course, without offence to anybody. Best regards! YOU ARE SO RIGHT! Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:44:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43593 To MarkBrazil Dude, no offence, but whether a person gets more out of graduate studies will NOT depend on his/her age. I am 24/25, had 2 years exprience and truth be told: i have matured somewhat since I graduated from my LLB. However, I have met some 21 LLBs who are extremely intellegent and mature. They are insightful not just to legal analysis, but also towards personal relations/social interactions. At the very least, the admissions committee thought they were smart and mature enough to attend LLM classes with their older and "wiser" counterparts. That is great. Still I think a more insight perspective regarding a bit of experience wouldn't be bad. Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:48:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43594 Mr. MarkBrazil; I would expect a wiser, more worldly understanding from someone of your golden years; you're embarrassing us in front of the children. You clearly can't say that a younger person will "get" less from a year of school than you will, unless you've attended an LL.M program every year since you turned 21, and concluded that the last three were significantly better than the first. Mr. Easter is entirely correct in his outrage, and even more impressive in his ability to be two different ages at once. Bender, like I said before, I attended other 4 years of study after my LLB program. I was young in the first and the latest course I took was the best one in my opinion, as I was older. Still I didn't say young ones shouldn't take an LLM program. If you got that, maybe you are just implying that I was correct then, as you probably didn't understand what I wrote. Take it easy and sorry to ofend you in front of the children. kkkkkk Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:48:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43595 Guys, I think everybody has got a portion of right in this dispute... I can just tell you one thing from my point of view. I tested on myself what means on the one hand "working before studying" and on the other hand "studying before working". I have worked since 2005 working on, and running, securities offering documents published under the US Securities Act. On the closing date of a standard deal (e.g., an issuance of shares), generally, a law firm (legal advisor of one party in the transaction) issues a "legal opinion" - often a so-called "10b-5 opinion". Well, when I saw my first draft of such an opinion, I never studied Rule 10b-5 of the US Securities Act in a "Securities Regulation" course. But with the months, drafting and re-drafting, opinions over opinions, I could understand the real scope and purpose of this opinion, and its underlying legal foundation, i.e., the Rule 10b-5. Morevoer, I had the chance to attend a "Corporations" course in Leiden - during the Columbia Summer Program - taught by a very good teacher, and there I got my first complete explanation of such a rule. Very often, while listening to him, I realized that I had already lived certain factual situations that he was describing from a strict legal viewpoint. In this sense, and in my specific case, a deeper study of "Securities Regulation" in an LL.M. may strenghten my "work-based" knowledge in this matter. From the other point of view, it's certainly true that is quite difficult to a student without work experience that he may completely appreciate certain shades during the description of laws and rules that I described above. That's it. Of course, without offence to anybody. Best regards! YOU ARE SO RIGHT! :D Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:15:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#43705 When applied I was 20, now admitted, 21. so, what`s the average? I think 26 will be correct! Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#44334 All of you !!!! Right now am concerned about my age...what I am concerned about is the least amount of experience I have in comparison to all of you both academically and practically...I just have an LL.B. and 2 years work experience... !!! i dont why am worrying if am getting in on over my head...btw am 24!!.. All the best you guys...perspectives/opinion/advice/general blabber are welcome !! :-P Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#44335 "Correction" -- right now am 'not' concerned about my age !! Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#46156 i'm 21;) Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:09:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#46365 I'm 21 .. sometimes i'm concerned about my age and the lack of experience, a lot of partners i know in my country said it's better to get an LLM once you're around 30 therefore you already have the experience to share and it's easier to understand the study.. but i'm going anyway this yeas as a fresh-grad,, anyway i' gettin married next year so i wouldnt have a chance to pursue LLM if not now , i'd be busy raising kids & juggling work with married life, amazed with those of you who are married and have kids and still managed to study for LLM , BRAVO! Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:52:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#46385 I am 22, but at the time I get all set to apply (I am still coursing my Bachelors in Brazil), I would be 23. Fri, 16 May 2008 21:46:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/42159/last#47398 Personally, at 26, I just think this whole concept of "experience" is something old people just made up to pick on those who are younger and more promising:)