http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037 en 2009 Law School Ranking - LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:22:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44037 Even though the official release date of the 2009 law school rankings is due on Friday March 28th 2008, the new rankings are already published on the internet (in particular on amlaw and theshark). According to such websites (where you can find a pdf version which lists all top 100) the purported new top 10 is as follows: 1/ Yale University 2/ Harvard University, Stanford University 4/ Columbia University 5/ New York University 6/ University of California – Berkeley 7/ University of Chicago, University of Pennsylvania 9/ Northwestern University, University of Michigan – Ann Arbor, University of Virginia So, apparently, this year big winners are Columbia, Berkeley and Northwestern.... PS. I have just found this out by typing "u.s. news law school rankings 2009" on google Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:46:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44040 I found the same rankings on abovethelaw: 1. Yale Law School (100) 2. (tie) Harvard Law School, Stanford Law School (91) 4. Columbia Law School (88) 5. New York University School of Law (85) 6. University of California – Berkeley (formerly Boalt Hall) (81) 7. University of Chicago Law School / University of Pennsylvania Law School (80) 9. Northwestern University School of Law / University of Michigan Law School (Ann Arbor) / University of Virginia School of Law (79). So, YLS is still in a league of its own, HLS, SLS and CLS are running behind with - more or less - 10 points difference, NYU is in middle earth and all the others are tied in two points (81-80-79). Will Berkeley celebrate the 6th place? Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44046 Compared to last year rankings: CLS gained 1 place, up to #4 (and five points increase!); Berkeley went straight from 8 to 6; Uchicago and UPenn lost one spot and so do UMichigan; while UVA gained 1 and NW gained 3. Comments? I checked on abovethelaw: American students are discussing a lot over the new rankings and it is quite interesting to actually see how rankings are important in the US Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44062 Could you provide us with the link? I simply don't see it. Thanks. Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44076 You may google "2009 Law School Ranking" and get it... Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44077 This is the link to the pdf http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/ca/USNews.pdf Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44089 This is the link to the pdf http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/ca/USNews.pdf the pdf (in the link) is hard to read. any chance someone can get a better version? Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:12:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44090 You can find the new (leaked and unofficial) 2009 U.S. News & World Report Law School Rankings on: http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/03/us_news_rankings_1.php Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:29:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44093 I've got it. Thanks! Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44094 If you plan to look for a job afterwards, you might want to consider the novel law school ranking by Vault. http://www.vault.com/lawschool/top25/ Since Vault is a very respected institution in matters of law firms and legal careers, this ranking might become quite influential in the near future. best regards 123 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44100 Hey all I found the column "employed 8 months after graduation" really interesting [and mportant], do anybody here have this information for LLM graduates? I guess the pdf stats apply to JD only. Thanks maurice Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:45:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44117 The rankings apply only to J.D. I don't think there are any stats concerning LLM graduates...but anyhow, and with all due precautions, the J.D. rankings can be used also by foreign graduates applying to U.S. Law schools Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:03:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44136 So sad to see NYU down one spot to 5th place again...maybe we will come back next year! Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44157 Last year the thread relevant to the new rankings was very active, apparently this year a lot of people read the thread but do not provide any comments...strange, because rankings are cited almost everywhere on this internet website. Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:07:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44161 I'd like to take that as a good sign; these sorts of rankings are not only significantly flawed at the J.D. level, but for an LL.M. in particular I hope they would only play a tiny part in the decision-making process. Obviously a degree from Harvard will move your career along faster than one from the Alabama Institute of Technology, but otherwise these "rankings" shouldn't affect a choice between Harvard and Yale, or between Stanford and NYU. Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44189 I agree with you Bender...if you have time on your hands have a look at the blog on abovethelaw.com; american students are crazy about rankings: people from UChicago are feeling miserable because of the drop while Berkely students are celebrating! It sounds incredible but that's the way it is Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:08:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44242 The official ranking is out: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/law/search Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:34:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44243 Thank you dynamo! So the leaked version was correct. Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44244 Does anyone have the new specialized rankings? IP for example.. Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44252 It's nice to see "my" university ranked #11 (vault ranking) and #15 (us news ranking). Taken into account the exclusive size of the llm program, the academic excellence of the director of the program (who is also prof. in corporate law), and the unbelievable efforts from really everyone at the law school to make every student feel welcome, vanderbilt has definitely one of the best llm programs in the US. Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:15:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44256 How come Berkeley jumped from 13th to 6th within less than 4 years!!?? Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44265 Dean Edley can be a reasonable explanation... GO BEARS!!! Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:14:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44344 Hey guys, what has happened to the U o Chicago? I´m disappointed. Do you have any details what has precisely changed, according to US News? Is it safety, quality of life, academic quality...? Would be great to hear from you! Goring Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:45:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44394 I'm really glad to know that CLS is back at 4! lets hope it keeps climbing..... Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:35:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44410 Here are rankings from 1998-2009 (for top 20 plus some universities that usually involved with top 20 for the past few years) 1998-2003 School 98 99 00 01 02 03 Yale 1 1 1 1 1 1 Harvard 2 2 2 3 3 3 Stanford 4 2 2 2 2 2 Columbia 5 4 5 5 4 4 NYU 6 6 4 4 5 5 Berkeley 8 7 10 8 9 7 Chicago 3 4 6 6 6 6 Penn 11 8 12 12 10 7 Northwestern 13 12 12 12 13 11 Michigan 7 8 8 7 7 7 Virginia 9 8 7 8 7 7 Cornell 12 12 10 10 12 13 Duke 10 8 8 10 10 12 Georgetown 14 12 14 14 14 14 Vanderbilt 17 16 16 18 17 17 UCLA 16 17 16 16 16 16 Texas 18 29 15 15 15 15 USC 15 15 18 17 18 18 Wash U 37 29 32 29 27 25 GWU 24 20 25 23 23 25 BU 31 29 32 32 27 25 Minnesota 23 18 18 19 18 18 2004-2009 School 04 05 06 07 08 09 Yale 1 1 1 1 1 1 Harvard 3 2 2 3 2 2 Stanford 2 3 3 2 2 2 Columbia 4 4 4 4 5 4 NYU 5 5 5 4 4 5 Berkeley 10 13 11 8 8 6 Chicago 6 6 6 6 6 7 Penn 7 7 7 7 6 7 Northwestern 12 10 10 12 12 9 Michigan 7 7 7 8 8 9 Virginia 9 9 8 8 10 9 Cornell 10 12 11 13 13 12 Duke 12 10 11 11 10 12 Georgetown 14 14 14 14 14 14 Vanderbilt 17 17 17 17 16 15 UCLA 16 16 15 15 15 16 Texas 15 15 15 16 18 16 USC 18 18 18 17 16 18 Wash U 25 20 24 19 19 19 GWU 22 20 20 19 22 20 BU 28 23 20 22 20 21 Minnesota 19 19 19 19 20 22 Hope it will be useful. Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#44624 Thank you "noname". The only university that never moves is Yale, always #1 and with a lot of points over the others; 9 compared to HLS e SLS and 11 to CLS: what makes the difference? Any suggestion? Mon, 19 May 2008 12:56:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44037/last#47462 I've heard that a dean was fired because "his" law school dropped twenty spots in the rankings: unbelievable!