http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195 en Survey - People who got into NYU's LLM - LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:48:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45195 Just so we get a sense of their admissions requirements, please provide your school (or range to be anonymous) and GPA (edit: cancel that, provide your approximate class rank instead). Include anything else you think is important too. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45196 Second tier American law school. Top 10%. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45198 I am a current student of one of top4 Russian law schools. Top grades in all subjects (Russian schools don't rank students), LSAC put it as "superior quality of academic record". No work experience (just a few short internships). Participated in student conferences, discussion clubs. 115 on TOEFL. Nothing too special, but I was accepted. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:18:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45201 Top 4% from the best university in Israel. One year work experience (internship). Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:54:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45204 Just to be clear, are we talking about int'l LLM, domestic tax, or international tax? I'm domestic tax, T2, top 5%, law review editor (not EIC). I responded to a few of the OP's other posts, but I want to put as much info as possible out into the world... Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45226 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45227 Just got my acceptance today! Class Rank: 3 out of 84 (tier 4) Law Review Assistant Articles Editor 6 Top Grade Awards Dean’s List (all semesters) Judicial Intern Research Assistant Federal Clerkship (Bankruptcy) Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45228 Dear Baffonz My background Top 40% LLB from prestigious law school; 2 year corporate experience; dean assistant; journal editor; other extra-curricular I read your posts from the blog that got cut and my thoughts are (please refer to Baffonz's original posts in "Do top LLM programs admit a lot of TWTs?" The administrator cut the post): You shouldn't be so concerned about who else got in. Most LLM programs from top US law schools are restricted to foreign lawyers because they want to promote their law school to the top lawyers of other countries. And from what I gather, most/all admitted candidates to top programs are impressive one way or another. Admittedly, Harvard admitted candidate might be better than candidates to NYU or Berkely. I disagree with your opinon/view that foreign lawyers are somehow inferior to US trained lawyers. The study/practice of law is a jurisdictionally based endeavour and as such, it is somewhat a futile pursuit to compare the quality of lawyers/law school from one country to another. That's why they have international ranking for MBAs but not for law schools. Your previous posts were somewhat bias and prejudicial towards foreign lawyers. At least you derided their qualifications. Let me tell you (at least for my country), the admitted candidates to top law programs in US/UK are of the highest quality: top law school, clerked for judges, top teir experience etc. They have all demonstrated leadership potential one way or another. At the very least, objective admission officers thought they were just as qualified/if not more than you. The purpose of LLMs are so that foreign lawyers can study US law. In doing so the universities can extend their network overseas and improve their profile/ extend American jurisprudence. Therefore, top LLMs generally don't care for US candidates who weren't good enough to get into a prestigious US JD and wants to do a LLM from the brand name, just to put on their CV: ie YOU. Law schools such as UPenn & Chicago advertise that US applicants can not be admitted to the LLM unless they show (amongst other things) that they would have been good enough to get into a top JD (high LSAT/GPA). You claim that you are concerned about having to do LLM with candidates from "Third World Toillettes" (as you so eliquently put it); maybe foreign candidates should be concerned that they have to do their LLM with second rate JD graduates who just plainly weren't good enough to cut-it in the first place. Most of the people I know that are doing/did LLM in US top schools laugh at people like you: clown college US JD graduates with third-rate legal experience. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:30:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45260 Avonlady- Exactly what does your rambling attack on Baffonz have to do with what qualifications people who have gotten into NYU have? If the two of you want to fight, please take it elsewhere. Thanks, Mike Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:08:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45263 Look at this and you'll understand http://www.llm-guide.com/board/44829/#post-44829 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:12:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45267 So far everyone seems like very high achievers. Top of the class and such, with extra-curriculars. Are all of NYU's LLM students like this, or are the less accomplished ones too embarrassed to respond to this post? Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:16:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45269 "I disagree with your opinon/view that foreign lawyers are somehow inferior to US trained lawyers. " I never said this. I talked about foreign lawyers from bad schools (like xxx country upstairs law school and goat breeding academy) who were being admitted solely due to a high TOEFL score (which is easy to cheat in some other countries.) lol. I just read the rest of AL's post. Relax. We're all just having fun. Oh, and don't delete that. Good stuff. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:09:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45273 I never said this. I talked about foreign lawyers from bad schools (like xxx country upstairs law school and goat breeding academy) who were being admitted solely due to a high TOEFL score (which is easy to cheat in some other countries.) How can you possibly know if the school is good or bad unless you are an attorney practising in that particular country? And as far as I remember the whole application process, schools are interested not only in the TOEFL score, they want personal statement, letters of recommendation and the transcripts. TOEFL is regarded on pass/fail basis, I assume. If a candidate has the required minimum they continue reviewing it. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:22:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45287 Any more responses? Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:50:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45294 Yep! Ranked 1st out of 150 on my LLB class with special commendation.. from a uni currently rated 20th in the UK (top 15% for research) I speak 4 languages (3 of them excellent) no work experience. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:51:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45295 Wow. I'm feeling better and better about my NYU admission. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:53:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45296 I talked about foreign lawyers from bad schools (like xxx country upstairs law school and goat breeding academy) who were being admitted solely due to a high TOEFL score (which is easy to cheat in some other countries.) Are you joking??? what top US law school accepts candidates solely based on their high TOEFL scores? It is specifically mentioned that the TOEFL score is merely meant to show that you possess a sufficient level of the English language, nothing more. Your grades, academic and professional experience are the parameters that schools look at when you are considered. And please, don't get me started on the rest of the things you so "kindly" wrote here. The universities in my country are well known and appreciated throughout the world and the LLM students who go to top US law schools do not fall from their American law students peers, in any way. On the contrary, you using the words "third world toiletts" demonstrates how ignorant and narrow minded you are (at the very least). I think that I speak for all us "foreigners" in this discussion board when I wish that none of us will run into so open and welcoming US students like yourself in our future law schools. good luck to everyone. Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45299 lol These replies are so funny. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:45:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45306 Dear Baffonz You say that you know of underqualified TW LLBs who gets into top LLMs. I have not heard of a single case where top LLMs accpet underqualified applicants. All candidates shows excellence on way or another. Some qualities are not quantifiable, but clearly show the candidate is a winner. You cannot make judgement about a candidate without reviewing all the information (which btw were never available to you). You are simply building a prima face case against seemingly underqualified applicants without the consideration of their entire profile. I have a friend who went to a clown law school, but he qualified himself through other means and got full ride to Harv/Ox/Cam. Three top law schools can't all be wrong. To a Northerner like you, TW law schools might seem shit. But they are respectable in their country and as I said, Law is a jurisdictionally based profession. So you can't conclusively consider your 2nd teir JD better than their LLBs. Maybe you should consider all the issues before analysing the situation and making judgement. You are a lawyer aren't you? I came from a brand name prestigious legal background, so I understand where the snobbery and unjustified sense of self worth comes from. However, it is one thing to love yourself, but quite another to dismiss people of other background. Having said this, I do know of a couple of underqualified/ undeserving jokers from the KMT in Taiwan who goes to Harvard because their daddies are senior party members of KMT and KMT donates to Harvard. The President elect did his SJD in Harvard, not that he deserved to go. He graduated no where near the top of law school and the only reason he got into law school in Taiwan in the first place is because his daddy's party was dictating taiwan at the time. He is a dilettante. I guess he shows "excellence and leadership" by being the son of traitors to the people of Taiwan. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45311 baffronz, i saw your previous thread - i'm glad it's closed - I don't know if you're just trying to wind up everyone - but it is really worrying that someone this prejudiced / racist is doing law let alone going to such an international / liberal school like NYU. you have absolutely no idea about the admissions criteria at law schools and your ignorance is mind boggling. Well when you do start your LLM - I'm sure you'll be outshined by all the 'third world' students - so you can stop worrying about the quality of the foreign llm students. You should be suspended from this site. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:54:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45313 Although I don't agree with baffronz and I think s/he is a joke. I don't think he should be suspended. Blogs are places for people to voice their opinons whether its PC or not. Just because something is PC, doesn't make it right vise versa. I think its ok for baffronz to express his/her views, but it should be backed up with plausible arguments that shows consideration of the issue. All baffronz shows is that he/she dismiss others without logical reason, other than primal prejudicial inclinations. At the very least, he should justify his prejudice with logical argument. baffronz obviously learnt very little from his/her 2nd rated legal education. S/He's a chiuwawa that want's to play with the big dogs. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45314 "but it is really worrying that someone this prejudiced / racist . . ." What in the world? Explain this post. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45315 lol at the people in this thread. Keep the comments coming. Very entertaining. But also please remember to answer the OP. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45393 Why no more responses? Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:54:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45397 Why no more responses? cause people who are wealthy like you would possibly pay for stuffs they want, so I suggest you to do the same thing. Say one thousand bucks per response? I bet it will perfectly work! Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:02:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45399 Why no more responses? Oh, btw, I am a poor from the third world but I paid someone to do the TOEFL for me. I am so jealous at you and I guess I will possibly live with the shame for all my life. Satisfied? Then get the hell outta here Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45402 baffronz must be kidding! He is too stupid to be real... Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:56:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45687 bump Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:51:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45696 What Baffronz has managed to do here, and it's not entirely unimpressive, is to blatantly troll some of the legal community's (ostensibly) brightest people into falling for an obvious shtick with embarrassing levels of zeal. When you're in the "top X" percentile of a "tier Y" law school with "all kinds of other random credentials", you should probably be more astute than to be outright hoodwinked by an anonymous internet personality with all the subtlety of a Chris Farley skit. For everyone responding in indignant outrage: you've clearly been had. For shame. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:15:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45727 What Baffronz has managed to do here, and it's not entirely unimpressive, is to blatantly troll some of the legal community's (ostensibly) brightest people into falling for an obvious shtick with embarrassing levels of zeal. When you're in the "top X" percentile of a "tier Y" law school with "all kinds of other random credentials", you should probably be more astute than to be outright hoodwinked by an anonymous internet personality with all the subtlety of a Chris Farley skit. For everyone responding in indignant outrage: you've clearly been had. For shame. I was only interested in learning whether my fellow classmates are prestigious. I wanted to make sure that, unlike say a Georgetown LLM, NYU only admitted the cream of the crop. Sorry you didn't get in. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:30:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45729 What Baffronz has managed to do here, and it's not entirely unimpressive, is to blatantly troll some of the legal community's (ostensibly) brightest people into falling for an obvious shtick with embarrassing levels of zeal. When you're in the "top X" percentile of a "tier Y" law school with "all kinds of other random credentials", you should probably be more astute than to be outright hoodwinked by an anonymous internet personality with all the subtlety of a Chris Farley skit. For everyone responding in indignant outrage: you've clearly been had. For shame. I was only interested in learning whether my fellow classmates are prestigious. I wanted to make sure that, unlike say a Georgetown LLM, NYU only admitted the cream of the crop. Sorry you didn't get in. Prestigious? How old are you? 15? The more you post, the bigger an idiot you sound like. At first, I felt bad for you as I thought you asked some OK questions. Now, I really think you are either some high school kid wanting to troll OR someone leading just a miserable life that wants others to know on the internet how rich/famous/prestigious he is Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45738 Enjoy Georgetown. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:44:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45740 Actually, I got into NYU but not Georgetown. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:33:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45744 Actually, I got into NYU but not Georgetown. You're that tier 4 student right? Did you bribe someone to get into NYU? Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:54:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45968 OP: Flame! ;) Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:05:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45983 Hai bafuronz - Dont be disappreciated by all like them bad thins they write.. I am like wat yu said, LLB at Jaffna (SriLanka), worked local court with a lawyer for two years, now got into nYU (tax). I speek good engleesh but to write is a mistake so said a fraand to do tefl for me..got 114. i want to make fraandship with yu it will be nice, i have money, 10000 dollar in a mnth is ok. i can get a dog for yu. can yu send ur photo i like to see good peeple. is it tru they teach on tv. I like tv very much. we can study in house with girls Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/45195/last#45998 LOLOLOLOLOL