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Yong  
 Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 7 |
LLM Sorbonne
Hallo! Anybody can kindly advise me bout LLM Program at Sorbonne University in Paris.Somebody else to go there or have experiences with applying tuition etc.?Tue Jan 25, 2005 01:49 PM Thank You! Yong |
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Pierre_99
 Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 9 |
Re: LLM Sorbonne
Hi Yong, I had a look at the Sorbonne page and it seems to me that the program is entirely in French. There is also a ne LLM Program at Assas paris 2 but thats aslo in French. If you know French its not a problem of course.
Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:20 AM |
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| Yong
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 7 |
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Oh thats not really good,I dont speak French really.You know of llm programs in France taught in English. I know this one Aix Marseille, but I heard it is only 20 places and competetive. Are there any more English language programs?
Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:45 PM |
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| Pierre_99
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 9 |
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Yong, yes, I guess wothout French language knowledge its probably a bad idea... English ones? Well, you know about thze Aix Marseille one already, apart from that I just know about the mSC AT edhec but this is not a real LLM, so dont know.Thu Jan 27, 2005 01:19 PM Pierre |
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| Yong
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 7 |
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hello pierre, I looked also at the program by robert schuman university which is English but I think program is offered by dresdn university so just one term in france. You heard bout this ?
Sun Jan 30, 2005 04:38 AM |
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| igal
Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 12 |
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You should apply to Sciences-Po Paris (Institut d'Etude Politique de Paris) Master degree which is by far one of the most respected prestigious elite school in France, often refered to as the "French Harvard". (Sorbonne is just appealing for foreigners because of its famous name). Its Law program is excellent.Sat Mar 05, 2005 03:25 AM Most classes are taught in English and French. Moreover Sciences-Po Paris has double diploma program with Columbia, Cornell and London School of Economics... Be aware that every law student at the Sorbonne dreams of going to Sciences-Po Paris... |
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| poiu
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 7 |
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Sorry, but just about every statement made by igal is silly. The "French Harvard", that would be Ecole Normale Superieure or Ecole Polytechnique. Sciences-Po is not a law school, therefore is not accredited to grant law degrees. That's why you can't name a single lawyer or law professor who received a *law* degree from Sciences-Po. Sorbonne also has joint degrees (law and otherwise) with Columbia, Cornell, as well as... you guessed it, Sciences-Po. Make no mistake about it, the top law schools in France are Sorbonne and Assas. Period.
Thu Mar 10, 2005 07:07 PM |
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| tom_france
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 43 |
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I disagree a little, Ecole Normale Sup and Polytechnique are not relevant (eventhough they're the best) because they don't offer any law program !!Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:06 AM Having graduate from both the Sorbonne and Sciences Po, I think the 2 are great, but different. It is true that if you want a "regular" law degree, Sciences Po degree is not one. However its "Master" has an excellent reputation and no employer will ever criticize you for having chosen Science Po instead of the Sorbonne or Assas. Actually, classes in Sciences Po are smaller, you have more homework, more international students, so really you'll have fun. But it remains a general degree (economic law, regulation...check at their website which has an english version), if you want to really specialize in a specific area (for instance taxation), then you should prefer the Sorbonne or Assas. I'm currently applying to LLM programs in the US and it seems that both have a strong international reputation, so whatever school you choose I promise you'll enjoy it ! |
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| lawguy
Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 2 |
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Does anyone know if there is an LLM program in Paris that is instructed in English? It appears that the Sorbonne and Assas programs are entirely in French. Is this true?
Thu Mar 24, 2005 09:10 PM |
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| lawguy
Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 2 |
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Sorry to post again, but the LLM-Guide listing of the Sorbonne program states that instruction is in French and English. Has anyone confirmed this?
Thu Mar 24, 2005 09:27 PM |
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| poiu
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 7 |
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The Sorbonne LLM program is entirely in French. There is an intensive legal French class for those who feel they need brushing up (taught in French, of course).
Fri Mar 25, 2005 06:42 AM |
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Maren[LLM GUIDE]
 Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 35 |
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Thanks poiu! You are right that the language of instruction is French only. The Sorbonne listing has been changed. edit
Fri Mar 25, 2005 07:33 AM [Edited 09 Jan 2006 by Maren[LLM GUIDE]] |
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| Isa
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 3 |
About Master in Science Po
I just graduated from the University of California at Berkeley and i am thinking of applying to the "Master" program at Science Po Paris. Is anybody can tell me if Science Po offers Master in History or do i have to apply to other universities that specialize in History. Thank you for your response!
Thu Apr 14, 2005 05:24 AM |
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| tom_france
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 43 |
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Hi Isa !Thu Apr 14, 2005 08:49 PM History isn't Sciences Po's speciality, therefore the "regular" master offers just a few specific courses in history, but you'll be required to take other courses (economy, politics...). You could be more interested in applying to the special research master in "history and political theary" (XXth century), but try and find out if the topics offered suit you. Sciences Po is a great school, but tough (a lot of work, especially oral presentations, hard for international students if their're French is not fluent). I advise you to apply to regular universities for the variety of topics they offer, plus you'll have less homework and more time to enjoy Paris, it would be useless to come over here and spend all your time in the library. Don't hesitate if you have further questions. Good luck through the admission process ! |
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| igal
Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 12 |
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Hi LisaWed Apr 20, 2005 02:39 AM Yes Sciences-Po Paris has the best Master Degree in contemporary History ( Centre d histoire du XX siecle). Definitely a very good choice. |
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| karinutza
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 5 |
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hi....i don`t care if the llm is in french...actually it`s better like that...but can u please help me with some info...Thu Apr 21, 2005 05:11 PM i`m interested in the costs of a llm at sorbonne or even assas..even living expenses if it is possible...and if u can give details it would perfect... txs very much... |
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| uto
Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 10 |
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 05:33 PM hi....i don`t care if the llm is in french...actually it`s better like that...but can u please help me with some info... It seems to be 6.000 euros (tuitions), concerning the living expenses it's really difficult to say. It depends if you want to rent a studio, if you want a one bedroom...and if you want to leave near the Sorbonne or not (it's one of the most expensive place of the city). |
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| poiu
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 7 |
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First, yes tuition is 6 000 euros, and if you're lucky to get a room at the Cite Universitaire ( www.ciup.fr/ ), it's anywhere between 282 euros and 580 euros a month, depending on your student status.Fri Apr 22, 2005 01:24 AM Speaking of tuition, French institutions are learning from the Anglo-American model and have really increased their tuition for foreign students. Sciences Po recently increased its tuition to around 5 000 euros. It's still cheap by American standards, but for French students, it's basically free. French schools, like their Anglosaxon counterparts, know that foreigners are willing to pay for the name. But if the return on your investment is good, why not? Everyone wins. |
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| karinutza
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 5 |
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txs...so 6000 per year right?Fri Apr 22, 2005 03:33 PM hmm....i thought it was cheaper....and if ur a foreigner but u are already a student at sorbonne is the same thing?i mean if u have ur "license" and on ur diplome it says sorbonne and u want to continue... |
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| GML Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 137 |
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Hi, I got my master from Paris II (which is, with Paris I, the best law school in France). Why you don't want to get a master's degree (before- DEA or DESS, now they are changing names)? I got it two years ago (in international law), paid about 300 euros per year, being a foreign student. You're studying with the French, it's not a "special" LL.M. for foreigners..
Fri Apr 22, 2005 04:06 PM |
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| poiu
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 7 |
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LLM programs in general are geared towards foreign law graduates who want to learn the host country's law in one year. No difference for the Sorbonne LLM, which is only open to foreign law graduates. If you already possess a "maitrise en droit" it would be rather odd for you to re-study French law in an LLM program even if it were open to "native" students. If you only have a "license", that would not qualify you for any LLM program, because the license is not the law degree that allows you to take the Bar. Fri Apr 22, 2005 07:29 PM On the other hand, foreign law graduates can certainly apply directly into a specialized "DEA / DESS" programs, but there, such a student will have to pick up the fundamentals of French law on his own. Many foreign graduates go directly into a DEA/DESS program, but they lament the fact that given the workload of the regular program, they have no time to learn the basics, and they really don't have a grasp of basic French law (particularly public law). Students from countries based on the Napoleonic Code (the Latin American countries) might have an easier time picking up French law on their own than students from the common law countries. So, for foreign law graduates, it all depends on your aim: is it to specialize, or is it to have a firm grasp of the fundamentals of French law? |
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| karinutza
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 5 |
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so...now u kinf of lost me....Fri Apr 22, 2005 08:01 PM i`ve already study basic french law...i`m studying in a program that gives me a licence issued by sorbonne directly although i`m not attending the courses in france.. in order to continue in paris as i want i need to know how much it costs.. so if i already know the basics and want to go for a 2 years master i`m considered equal to french students and pay less than 6000?? i don`t care if i continue in paris II ..all that counts it`s to continue in paris... and to go to the bar exam which degree do u need? txs for all the info |
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| uto
Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 10 |
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Fri Apr 22, 2005 08:33 PM so...now u kinf of lost me.... To get the Bar exam, you need a "maitrise", which is the diploma you can take after a licence. It takes one year. In france, you have - A licence (after 3 years) - A Maitrise (at the end of the 4th year) After the Miatrise, you can pass the Bar exam. You can also apply for a Master directly after the Maitrise (former DEA/DESS) =2year. During this time, you can take the Bar Exam when you wan (at the beginning of your first year, second year, or at the end) If you do one of this French Masters (and not the LLM for foreigners], it's not expensive, I think it's around 300 euros per year. When I did my master at paris II Assas, there were foreigners (they did very well). You should call the University. As a foreigner, you have different rules if you want to take the CRFPA (bar exam) and you can specify that French is not your native language, go to the site " www.efb-paris.avocat.fr" Good luck. |
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| tom_france
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 43 |
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Be aware that French students who want to take the bar exam have to register almost 1 year in advance, at the same time they enroll for their maîtrise or DESS/DEA. I should think the same rule applies to international students. So don't miss the deadline, their's no exception afterwards !
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| lkjh
Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 2 |
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Pour les avocats inscrits aux barreaux étrangers, ils peuvent se profiter des régimes spéciales et plus faciles pour accéder aux barreaux français, notamment celles de « l’article 99 » pour les communautaires et de « l’article 100 » pour les non-communautaires. Voir, respectivement, Sat Apr 23, 2005 06:52 AM www.cnb.avocat.fr/VieProfessionAvocat/VPA_devenira… www.cnb.avocat.fr/VieProfessionAvocat/VPA_devenira… |
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