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mirela

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:14 PM
Dear all, could you please give me an advice regarding what should I choose between nottingham, aberdeen and durham - International commercial law program?
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Fri Jun 20, 2008 09:54 AM
I also got offers from Manchester, Aberdeen and Durham in International commercial law. Really dont know what to do. I am from Pakistan. Where are you from. Hope to meet you if we choose the same.
regards and good luck
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mirela

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 09:21 AM
I'm from Romania. I really do not know what to choose...i am looking for a good program in commercial, recognized abroad - so, which is the best nottingham or durham?
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 09:59 AM
ok, I must say durham is better than nottingham because it is better in law school ranking but aberdeen is better than both of them. i am still working on it. i will definitely update you when find some answer to this question mean while please stay in touch and let me know if you get any thing about these universities. mine are manchester, aberdeen and durham
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mirela

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:01 PM
why do you say that aberdeen is better then durham & nott? from ranking, it seems that durham is the best. Do you know how expensive is durham? for example, aberdeen estimative costs (tuition fee + costs of living) for one year = 8000 pounds, nottingham = 9.000 pounds and durham = 13.000 pounds - but I do not know how realistics these estimations are.
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:19 PM
hey i am talking about time good law school ranking for uk. Aberdeen is at no.2, durham is at no.6 and nottingham is at no. 9 manchester is at no. 12. The only set back of aberdeen is that it is in scotland. times good law school ranking is probably the most renowned and reliable. please check the times good law school ranking here is the link
extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.p…
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Richie_85

Joined: 30 May 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:44 PM
Be careful: These are only undergraduate courses rankings! I think for the popularity of LLM courses this website here is more reliable (when you look at the "most popular LLM programs" at the end of a month).
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:56 PM
hey richie please state the link of the ranking you are talking about i am waiting by the way thanx buddy
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mirela

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 01:11 PM
guys, the ranking is important ideed, but also the modules that can be studied are also important. at durham you can study international sales law while at nottingham offers several courses on financial law that you can not have at durham and viceversa.
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 01:18 PM
in my humble view the most important thing is how recognized a university is internationally, than fees and than ranking and one more thing i have checked the times ranking the page heading is clearly most popular llm but i am really confused now.
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Richie_85

Joined: 30 May 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Sat Jun 21, 2008 03:33 PM
I was talking about THIS website here (www.llm-guide.com): The ranking which can be found below "Home" --> "Most popular LLM Programs". The Times Ranking you mentioned is nice, but it is only for undergraduate law. It is not specific for LLM courses which it should be, if reliable comments shall be justified.

However, to my eyes, it is much more important how well you perform anyway than where you study. I mean within the EU and the US a high standard is guaranteed anyway, so one should focus more on achieving outstanding results than going crazy about a 2nd, 5th, 9th or whatever place in some obscure ranking. If you hardly manage to pass your degree in Harvard or Yale, this is not very impressive, but if, for example, you are lucky enough to get a distinction in your LLM from let's say Bristol, it rockz much more because it shows you really kicked your ass and you are able to stand out in comparison to hundreds of students from all around the world. Of course, it is perfect, if you are outstanding and you study in Harvard :-)
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peter.smith

Joined: 20 Jun 2008
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Sat Jun 21, 2008 06:41 PM
Hi Richie!
Thank you for the lecture on rankings.
Can you tell us a bit more about the website "rankings" your are referring to? What exactly are the objective criteria used? What is its purpose and how does it work?
Morevoer, your said that "The Times Ranking you mentioned is nice, but it is only for undergraduate law". How do you know that exactly? And if it is true, why do they take into account research quality? (for instance, the university of Nottingham Trent was granted only 4F for research, where others have been granted 5A). I did not know that undergraduate students where researching anything, so I wonder why you think so strongly that these rankings deal with undergraduate studies only...
Anyway... Thank you very much for these enlightning explanations mate, and good luck with your studies... By the way, which LL.M. did you do or are you planning to do?

[Edited 21 Jun 2008 by peter.smith]
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Richie_85

Joined: 30 May 2008
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Sun Jun 22, 2008 09:38 AM
Thanks for your sarcasm "Peter.Smith"...think you only created this account for making this comment, he?
Anyway, the ranking on this website is based on views which I think is a very strong indicator for the actual reputation of LLM courses because if nobody is interested in a course it doesnt get any views. Logical, isnt it?
If you are interested, I am currently doing my LLB at University of Nottingham and am planning to do my LLM at Nottingham Trent University.
In addition,since when are LLM students researching? All they do is writing essays and exams. This is normal students work.
My kindest regards
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TiGGer

Joined: 11 May 2007
Posts: 65
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Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:47 PM
Yes, Richie_85, I agree, "Peter.Smith" seems to be a fake account.
Anyway, the Times Ranking is a useful indicator (as is the Guardian). However, it might be particularly helpful for those who want to do a PhD as LLM students don't really do research - unless they do a research LLM, which is not that common.
I consider the ranking on this website very helpful, too, as -as Richie_85 has pointed out- it reveals how students from all around the world evaluate a programme or Law School. Simply, they would not look onto websites of Law Schools they are not interested in.
I think, if one does an LLM from the first 2-3 pages it cannot be that wrong.

To come back to the actual question here. I think Nottingham, Aberdeen and Durham are all very good. Maybe u should have visit the citites and see where you feel most comfortable. I am currently in Nottingham (Trent...Peter.Smith) and have a great time here. However, the city is not easy. Maybe Aberdeen or Durham are a bit safer.
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Mon Jun 23, 2008 04:29 AM
Thank you very much guys for keen involvement in these deliberations. but the question is still there which is the more suitable and internationally reputable institute in these. Aberdeen, Durham, Nottingham or Manchester. If any one can help me in deciding i will be really greatfull.
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Mon Jun 23, 2008 04:31 AM
hey mirela where are you. you have decided some university yet or not. by the way your estimations are not accurate those are only fee no accomodation included
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mirela

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Mon Jun 23, 2008 06:59 AM
hey oskkhan! it was a hard week-end for me, trying to decide which university. i will probably go to durham, i like their modules on ec business law, international trade law, and banking law. if i choose nottingham, it will be only for their modules on financial services - they have 3 modules on this, but i am not very sure that i want to specialize on this. what your considerents are?
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Mon Jun 23, 2008 09:04 AM
hey mirela, i am not very sure yet. durham is porbably the most expensive. but yes you are right they have good modules. my inclination is also towards durham then aberdeen and then manchester. Where are you planning to stay university managed accomodation or else. this is also a major consideration. i will definitely let you know about my decision very soon waiting for yours too
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Mon Jun 23, 2008 09:25 AM
hey mirela why u r not going to aberdeen. it is also very good university prince charles studied there. i have been to scotland very calm quite and beatiful place . i am just curious why you are not choosing aberdeen
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mirela

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 16
nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:15 AM
aberdeen offers only few modules that i have to choose bewteen. and i am still waiting for caroline robertson - from the university - to send me a detailed description of their modules; on the university site there is no description regarding the courses, just their names.
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:53 AM
hey mirela please let me know when you get any response from Caroline. My inclination is really bending towards Durham. I have received some very good responses about Durham. let me know of any development regarding your decision
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mirela

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:25 AM
at durham they have very few modules...and it is one from eu law, one from international and one from common law; therefore, you can not have four modules in one field; i don't know, but i have the impression that you study a little piece of everything and in the end you can not talk about a specialization in a certain field.
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vermillion

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Wed Jun 25, 2008 09:26 AM
Hi, i am from Malaysia, i am also interested in doing LLM, i just received my LLB result this early June, so it is quite inconvenient for me to apply for some good ranking universities as they have set down early deadline, i have heard that aberdeen, durham and manchester are quite good. At first i though of kings, LSE but they have closed application for 2008....

I am now considering manchester, durham and aberdeen. I wanted to involve in International trade and commercial related subjects.

Thanks for those who have provided some information about durham.
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oskkhan

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
Posts: 25
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 09:34 AM
Dear Vermillion, good luck for your admission thats good you are interested in llm. You could apply before your results there was no problem in that. any how wish you good luck hope to meet you soon if you get admission
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mirela

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 16
nottingham, aberdeen or durham?
Fri Jul 04, 2008 05:08 PM
dear oskkhan,
after long discussions, I made a decision - i will go to durham. As I understood from forum discussions, at Aberdeen there exists a real problem with accomodation and there are certain cases when students are staying at the hotel. I received a partial scholarship from Aberdeen, but even in these conditions, I decided that Durham will be. Good luck with your choice!
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