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Entry requirements: OxBridge, UCL, LSE (how far into the minimum requirements?)

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Leanne

Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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Entry requirements: OxBridge, UCL, LSE (how far into the minimum requirements?)
Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:27 AM
The miminum LLM/BCL entry requirements for OxBridge are 1st & 2:1 for UCL and LSE. I've been told that a 1st is equivalent to 70%. Does anyone know what the realistic requirements for these 4 universities are? (72%? 75%?) i.e. how far the cut-off points are from the stated minimum requirements.

Thank you.

[Edited 28 Jun 2008 by Leanne]
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equity's darling

Joined: 28 Nov 2006
Posts: 268
Entry requirements: OxBridge, UCL, LSE (how far into the minimum requirements?)
Sat Jun 28, 2008 03:25 PM
I believe that class ranking is the main determinant. For Oxbridge, you should be in the top 10 (preferrably the top 5 I believe). Raw grades are less helpful than rankings because some schools deflate while others inflate their grades, making any meaningful comparrision futile. But ranking you against your peers in your llb provides a clear snap shot of your calibre...
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Brett

Joined: 11 Feb 2008
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Entry requirements: OxBridge, UCL, LSE (how far into the minimum requirements?)
Sat Jun 28, 2008 07:52 PM
I would respectfully disagree. Where one is placed within class rankings is subject to two key variables: size and quality of class. I could attend the smallest, worst University if I wanted to and ease my way to the higher end of the class or have chosen to study at the best University in the country and received a better degree. No schools in England can deflate or inflate their grades as they are all marked externally to verify the marks, I assume you study elsewhere?

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Paddy Nolan

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Entry requirements: OxBridge, UCL, LSE (how far into the minimum requirements?)
Sun Jun 29, 2008 07:22 PM
I'm going to have to side more with Equity on this one (at least as it applies to non-U.K. applicants). With the exception perhaps of the few schools at the extreme ends of the reputational spectrum, my personal observation has been that successful Oxbridge applicants do tend to come from at or near the top of their classes. Indeed, I know Oxford for one is quite forthcoming about its preference in this respect. While there are certainly drawbacks to this methodology (as Brett is quick to point out), no application screening process is without its blind spots.

btw, returning to the original question, and for what it's worth (especially given the grading idiosyncrasies of each jurisdiction), I'm a Canadian with an A- (around 80%) average from a good law school and somehow got into Oxford, LSE and UCL. My advice would be to just apply and see what happens.

Best of luck!
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equity's darling

Joined: 28 Nov 2006
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Entry requirements: OxBridge, UCL, LSE (how far into the minimum requirements?)
Mon Jun 30, 2008 04:09 AM
I agree there are unfair and subjective draw - backs to the class ranking formula. My point, however, is not that rankings ought to be the key admission criteria, simply that,for better or worse, they are. I'd wager that if you graduate in the toip 2% of a crappy 4th tier law school you will have a better , or at least equal, shot at entry to oxbriodge than if you graduate bottom-middle of the pack at a top tier school.
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Leanne

Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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Entry requirements: OxBridge, UCL, LSE (how far into the minimum requirements?)
Tue Jul 01, 2008 09:59 AM
Thank you all.

A question about the ranking: do your universities give you the statistics of the exam results? e.g. top, average, median etc.?

If not, how do you go about ascertaining your ranking? Because for some obscure reason of its own my university treats ranking as "classified information". I can only guess that I am in the top 10% but I don't know whether I am in the top 5% or not.
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