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tresna 
Joined: 20 May 2005 Posts: 2 |
Re: Re: LLM Netherlands
i suggest you look on one more option,Sat May 21, 2005 09:18 AM Rijksuiversiteit Groningen (Univ of Groningen). I've been there a year, and have a real great time! i love that city and looking forward to go there again. *wink* If you check it in www.qanu.nl which has been translated above, you can see that RUG is the best one because it gets 7 point of GOOD! but if you like to have fun, then it's better to go for an llm in ams ;PPP i took the international economic and business law program. but utrecht and leiden are very famous hehehe... |
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| tresna
Joined: 20 May 2005 Posts: 2 |
Re: Re: LLM Netherlands
for tilburg, Sat May 21, 2005 09:27 AM it's a famous law scholl in nl also.. for erasmus, the law scholl is not really good. they are famous in business program, from what i heard. but for me, still... groningen is the best. and it's cheap!!!!!!! for leiden, i heard that there are internal problems there, is that rite? and for utrecht, one of my prof is graduated from utrecht and then choose groningen because he saw the good prospect in RuG |
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axelw 
Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 9 |
Re: LLM Netherlands
Thanx everyone for their replies, they have been very helpful. I think I finally made up my mind. I'm going with the first school I applied to and the one that initially got me going. Anyway thanks everyone this forum is awesome, you can really get great information here.Tue May 24, 2005 08:31 AM I'll read your posts at Utrecht... axelw |
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| Raxy
Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
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Does anyone know anything about Vrije University Amsterdam programme in international commercial and trade law? I've got their letter of admissions. I also received a full scholarship... However, I'm not sure abobut the quality of the programme.. is it worth of spending a year there and more importantly, a scholarship that I've got recently?
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UCHKEKEN
 Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 6 |
Re: LLM Netherlands
Dear all! I'm Kemal from North Caucasus (Russia). Fri May 27, 2005 09:38 AM I have been admitted to LLM programme in Leiden University (European Business Law). I am confused now. Is it a nice way to study in Master course in Leiden and will it easy to me to find a job in some companies or legal firms? It” s a very important to me. I’m a newcomer and please excuse for some my naivety questions. Kemal. |
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| roeland
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
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Hi guys,Sat May 28, 2005 03:37 PM I am graduating at Maastricht University (European Law School) and I am employed as a student assistent over there. I work for the Chairman of the education institute so I have inside information about the ranking of the programs. I am a bit concerned about your knowledge of the rankings of the different dutch programs. I know for 100% sure that Maastricht University is qualified as best university for 2 successive years. This year even two research institutes found Maastricht the best one. Another argument is that maastricht university participates in all the moot courts. With regard to the ELMC one that reached 4 times the final out of 11 editions. The groups that reached the final also consisted out of LLM students. Recently a group of LLM students became third at the WTO Moot Court in Geneva. Further I also have a lot of contact with the LLM students as a graduating student (assistant). Concrete results are that two LLM students of the Maastricht MIC program (Magister Iuris Communis) managed to get into the Blue Book of the European Union. One recently got into the WTO. So I would definitely advise you students considering doing an LLM program in the Netherlands look at the information on the MIC program!!! |
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| dunny
Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 2 |
Re: Re: Re: LLM Netherlands
Thu Jun 02, 2005 06:02 PM i suggest you look on one more option, I'm interested too in how Groningen compares to Utrecht and Leiden. From the scores above, it seems to be the best law school in the Netherlands. Would it make sense to choose it over UU or Leiden? |
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| dunny
Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 2 |
Groningen over Utrecht?
I'm curious too how Groningen compares to Utrecht and Leiden. From the scores posted above, it seems to be the best law school in the Netherlands. Would it make sense to choose it over UU or Leiden?Thu Jun 02, 2005 06:04 PM Dunny |
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| roeland
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
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Dear mr. Dunny,Sat Jun 04, 2005 07:44 PM The inquiry you are referring to dates from the period 1996-2001 so I want to point at more recent ones. Further I can assure that the institution has no authority in assessing universities. The institutions that have a reputation on this field are: the Dutch (federal) ministry of education, culture and sciences, de 'keuzegids' and Elsevier. The first two concluded in 2004 that Maastricht University was the best overall university. Elsevier only says this with regard to the European Law departement. At this website you find the report of the 'keuzegids' that dates from 2004. Page 3 shows the ranking: www.utwente.nl/jaarverslag/onderwijs/performance/u… I also give you a link that discusses Leiden's reputation that was traditionally quite good however the last years its image is declining. The article is in dutch so anyone that does not believe me on my word needs to consult a translator: www.lvsa.nl/. Maybe you guys find this stupid but I have no interest promoting Maastricht: I am graduating and will do my LLM at Ghent Law School. Again I want to share the information I got as an student assistant with you guys. In fact I was trilled that Dunny (without insulting him) alleged that RUG is the best university by referring to an inquiry of 10 years ago. Science is in progress!!! Roeland [Edited 20 Jan 2007 by Admin] |
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Marks
 Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 30 |
Re: LLM Netherlands
Dear Mr. Roeland, actually, Dunny was just quoting Tresna's post!
Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:19 PM |
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| roeland
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
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Dear Marks,Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:59 AM My answer was just of a general nature, it certainly was no attack. I recently noted that Tresna was also aware of the problems that were going on in Leiden. I don't get why this website still is presenting it as a favourable program? |
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| Marks
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 30 |
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Dear Roeland,Tue Jun 07, 2005 07:46 PM thanks for your links, quite interesting stuff. Still, my personal view is that Leiden ist a very good university with a long tradition in teaching law. To me, the whole ranking issue seems to be overrated in Europe. Rankings may be important in the UK and the US. We continental Europeans should be proud that we have so numerous good universities, maybe not Harvards, though... :-) Marks |
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| bot123
Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 6 |
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On the differences between the Dutch Law SchoolsTue Jun 21, 2005 12:27 PM The general level of University education in the Netherlands is at a very good level. The general Bachelor programs at Dutch Law Schools are very similar (to some extent due to requirements of the Dutch Bar Council). If you want to focus on differences between the programs, you should be aware of the marginal importance of these facts. Some differences of interest are: the student-staff ratio (e.g.,Tilburg University and Free University Amsterdam have approx. 1 member of staff per 26 students and Leiden and Amsterdam you'll be with approx. 57 students, for figures see below), and the reputation of a Law School in research (see below). For Master programs this is a bit different, because of the specialized nature of these programs. For Dutch Law Schools is rather common that every significant research group within the school does have its own Master. Because most of the professors and lecturers will be provided by these research groups their reputation/quality (especially in research) is of importance. Another factor you should look at is the maximum number of people that can be admitted to a program. I would prefer smaller groups, because there may be more interaction between professors and students. For the reputation of research groups you may just ask the Law School. Good sources are quality assesment reports by the QANU (Foundation Quality Assurance Netherlands Universities: www.qanu.nl) or assesments carried out by the universities themselves. Also of interest is that in the Netherlands several universities offer more academic oriented master programs (research masters, most of them resulting in a M.Phil and a LL.M degree). These two-year programs offer courses on legal research, but also have specific focus on a specific area of the law. Currently Utrecht University, Tilburg University, Groningen University, Nijmegen University and Maastricht University offer such programs. In general the number of students is limited and some of these masters offer Ph.D positions for the top students after the master. There are differences between the programs. Recent figures on Research Quality can be found at: www.qanu.nl/comasy/uploadedfiles/recht%5B2%5D.Inte… (period 1995-2000, new report not yet available). The overall score of Tilburg University was the best, but the quality of the specific research group can be more important. Student-Staff ratio (QANU: 1996-2001) source: www.qanu.nl/comasy/uploadedfiles/Rechtsgeleerdheid… (Dutch) Tilburg University (UvT) 24,1 Free University Amsterdam (VU) 26,5 Radboud University Nijmegen 26,5 Maastricht University (UM) 31,7 Groningen University (RUG) 39,6 Utrecht University (UU) 41,4 Erasmus University Rotterdam (EUR) 47,4 Leiden University (UL) 57,3 University of Amsterdam (UvA) 57,5 [Edited 07 Aug 2006 by Admin] |
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| Marks
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 30 |
Re: Re: Re: LLM Netherlands
Thanks for this thorough post! Just one question: Do you know where to find information about the master programme at Radboud University Nijmegen?
Wed Jun 22, 2005 03:03 PM |
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| roeland
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
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Dear MarksSat Jun 25, 2005 02:54 PM Nijmegen has no postgraduate masters. |
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| Marks
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 30 |
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Thanks roeland, I was already wondering why I could not find any information about this on the university website!
Sat Jun 25, 2005 03:32 PM |
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| roeland
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
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Dear Marks,Mon Jun 27, 2005 01:37 PM I don t know what your future prospects are but I can recommend you to consider the llm programs Amsterdam university offers: for example the one in business law. Again I would certainly not go to Leiden. Roeland |
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NUGRAHADI
 Joined: 31 May 2005 Posts: 3 |
Erasmus Rotterdam
Hello guys, please let me Introduce myself before ,I'm Andono but just call me NINO ok! I came from Jakarta INDONESIA, I want to ask some information, in your objective what do you think the LLM program in erasmus rotterdam with specialization in bussiness trade law, is it has good quality? becasue a week ago i had received letter of acceptance and now I'm confuse to decide ,please help me ok thanks all
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| roeland
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
Re: Erasmus Rotterdam
Hi NinoThu Jun 30, 2005 01:31 PM Actually you made a good choice. Erasmus Rotterdam has a good reputation and a friend of mine is doing an LLM there and he is very enthusiastic. Some of the teachers are partners in large law firms. That makes the LLM even more interesting. Good luck!!! Roeland. |
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| AMY PANG
Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 1 |
Re: Re: Erasmus Rotterdam
HI, guys! Thu Jun 30, 2005 05:28 PM what do you think about the LLM program in Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam ? Thank you in advance! |
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| NUGRAHADI
Joined: 31 May 2005 Posts: 3 |
Re: Re: Erasmus Rotterdam
Dear roelandFri Jul 01, 2005 07:07 AM thanks for ur reponse, did you mean If I want to have specialization in bussiness law, rotterdam is well recommended ? but i assume u want to tell me that if I want have specialization in bussines law, rotterdam is ok but for other specialization such International or criminal law it's not recommended ,thanks a lot roe ! btw where are u from? do you have an email address?, C U |
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| roeland
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
Re: Re: Re: Erasmus Rotterdam
Dear Nino,Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:37 AM I am a belgian citizen, study in Maastricht, next year in Ghent (LLM). I think Erasmus University is in general a good reputation although i must admit that I am not aware of the different reputation on criminal law. I need to look it up. My emailadres: roeland_jans@hotmail.com Roeland. |
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lawant
 Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 8 |
GRONINGEN, LL.M. in Groningen
HELLO!Sun Jul 24, 2005 06:45 PM I am an Italian Law graduate......next year I will be in GRONINGEN......and since in here I saw that some of you have already been there.....well, do you have any advice? Things to do, to bring, to remember.....ANY advice is welcome!!! Also......I am SO worried about the Housing Office... Any way......I HOPE TO receive many emails from those of you that know the place! I will move to Groningen in the second half of August....so hurry up, tell me!! Thank You! Good Luck everybody! Ciao, Anteo |
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| lawant
Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 8 |
GRONINGEN?
Hello everyone!Sun Jul 24, 2005 06:49 PM Within 30 days I will move to Groningen....and since in here I saw some of you have been there....well, my name is Anteo, and if you have any kind of advice or thoughts, write them to me as ap! My email is always available.... Let me know! See you in The Netherlands....and maybe in GRONINGEN!! Ciao, Anteo |
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| roeland
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 12 |
Re: GRONINGEN?
Dear,Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:28 PM I think groningen is a good choice. A few of my teachers here in the university i studied did their undergraduate legal studies in groningen and they are all very positive about it. About the city i don t know much. The curriculum they offer also appears to be quite good so don t worry. One thing i think i have to warn you for is that in my opinion (i am half belgian/half dutch but carry belgian nationality) people are not that flexible over here. I mean people from the administration at school/government. Roeland. |
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