http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488 en LLM Netherlands - LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#488 Hi all. Does anyone have any experience with LLM programs in the Netherlands. If so, which programs are reputable? It is difficult to find any kind of ranking system for Netherland universities. Thanks. Jack Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:42:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#512 Hi jack! I dont know of any ranking for Dutch universities either but I am from the Netherlands so I know people at different law schools. Schools that come to my mind with a good reputation are Leiden, the Pallas Program, Utrecht, Erasmus Rotterdam and the Maastricht University. But as we are in Europe the differences between the different institutions in terms of quality is not very big (unilke in the US).M Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:37:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#655 Thanks for the information. How about Amsterdam Law School? Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#675 Hi Jack! Well, I think it should be quite as good as all the other schools here but I think you will not have much time to study if you live in Amsterdam ;-) No seriously, I dont know that much about its reputation as I said all schools are pretty good so hard to say which one is the best. Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:06:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#676 Hi Jack! Well, I think it should be quite as good as all the other schools here but I think you will not have much time to study if you live in Amsterdam ;-) No seriously, I dont know that much about its reputation as I said all schools are pretty good so hard to say which one is the best. Hi Marije, See, I am always around. So comparatively, Leiden is more like a student town and peaceful for study? Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#677 Hi Star, nice you joined in! Yes, you could say that, a nice peaceful small student city. The thing with NL is that its a really small country so getting from one place to another never takes longer than one hour. People live in Leiden and other cities and go out in amsterdam on the weekend no problem. Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:47:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#995 Hi people! As I'm going to take a LLM at Tilburg University, does anyone know something about it? Or something about the town? If you have already had this experience, let me know. Thank you friends! Davide Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#1168 Hi guys, just joined. I am a Dutch student and I read on the website of Qanu (the Dutch accreditation organ) that they just accredited the Law Programmes in Holland. The thing is that the text is in Dutch. I will try to make a translation soon about the conclusion parts and try to post it here. I think all uni's are good here, but you have to make a definite distinction in Holland between the Hogescholen and the Universities. I know that the Hogescholen like to translate their names to Universities as well. The thing is that the Hogescholen cannot grant LL.M.'s! The difference between Hogescholen and Universities is that Universities are academic schools, whereas the Hogescholen are better categorised by 'vocational training', I think. Keep that in mind if you are chosing an LL.M. in the Netherlands. Good luck searching and deciding. I will do my best for the translation. Greetings, Anneke. Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#1171 Hi, I'm back. I have made the translation of the findings of the Quality Assurance Organ in the Netherlands. Unfortunately the site does not support the tables I used... Hope you can all manage like this. Good luck. Greetings, Anneke *********************************************************************** Assessment scheme quality aspects of the programmes of the Faculties of Law* In conformity with the protocol Kwaliteitszorg Onderwijs 2000-2005 (Quality Care Education 2000-2005), the visitation commission would like to emphasize that a classification of the programmes on the basis of the average of the figures in this table is not justified. The assessment is based on the averages of the level of a faculty. This means that within a Faculty with a good score less good programmes can be taught and also the other way around: within a faculty with an insufficient score some of the programmes can have a sufficient score. Number of programmes 2 3 7 3 2 4 5 3 3 1 VU UU UL UvT EUR UVA RUG KUN UM OUNL 1. Mission, objectives and final attainment level V G O V V G G V V V 2. Structure and content of the programme V V M G V V G V V V 3. Educational learning environment M V O V M V G G G V 4. Intake V V V V V V V V V V 5. Level of ‘studeerbaarheid’ (study quality) V M V V V V V V V V 6. Flow through and output M M M M O O M V V n.b.(1 7. Quality of the graduates (2 V V V V V V V V V V 8. Efficiency of the organisation and quality of the staff G V O V G V V G V V 9. Facilities and services M G O M G M G G G n.a. 10. Internationalisation and External relations V G V M M V G G V n.b.(3 11a. Internal quality assurance G V O V V G G V G V 11b. Self-study M O M V V G G M M O *) The assessment deals with the period 1996-2001. 1) Not assessed, there is no reference material available 2) Look at 1.B. paragraph 7 for an explanation of the weighing, ‘g’ was not used 3) Not assessed, the commission did not have a proper reference for the OUNL on this point. Abbreviations for the faculties: VU: Free University Amsterdam (Vrije Universiteit) UU: University of Utrecht UL: University of Leiden UvT: University of Twente (Enschede) EUR: Erasmus University (Rotterdam) UVA: University of Amsterdam RUG: University of Groningen KUN: University of Nijmegen UM: University of Maastricht OUNL: Open University the Netherlands The assessment concerns specifically the quality aspects that are mentioned in the table. Every aspect was weight on the basis of O (insufficient), M (moderate), V (sufficient) or G (good). Explanation of the scale: O (insufficient): The quality level is below the standards set for a university education, as defined in the protocol and frame of reference M (moderate): The quality level is not completely sufficient, a limited number of aspects deserve some extra attention V (sufficient): The quality meets the requirements, it is the result of well-considered policy G (good): The quality is obviously higher than the set standard, it is a good example for other programmes Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:34:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#1194 Hi guys! just joined. I have a LL.B from Turkey and have been living in Canada. I'd like to do my LL.M in the Netherlands what is the acceptance rate for Int. student (without scholarship) I don't have a high GPA? Are there any average schools that you could suggest based on my level? Thanks.. Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:14:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#1219 Anneke, thanks for pointing out the difference between Hogescholen and Universities. This is the link to the Qanu report (in Dutch): http://www.qanu.nl/?contentid=232 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:09:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#1233 Hi Anneke, Thanks for the translation and kind advice! That is really nice of you!! Star Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:51:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#1463 Hi, I found another interesting article about Dutch LLM degrees. here are some excerpts: Using the title LL.M. in the Dutch context by Marilyn Warman and Chris Hopley, Nuffic translators LL.M. (5 July 2004, revised 26 July 2004) LL.M. is the abbreviation for Legum Magister, the Latin term for Master of Laws. LL.M. is written after the name. Many Dutch meesters in de rechten use this originally British academic title in international contexts. They find it more convenient than the title accorded to them by Dutch law, which is meester, abbreviated to mr. and written before the name. The education law currently in force, the WHW, which dates from 1993, originally stipulated that if university graduates at doctoraal level prefer, they could also use the letter M. (for Master), followed by an indication of the field. Similarly, hogeschool graduates could use B. (for Bachelor). An amendment that took effect in June 2002 refined the WHW’s stipulations regarding titles for use in international contexts. University graduates could now use either Master of Arts (M.A.) or Master of Science (M.Sc.). The stipulation for HBO remained the same. These stipulations were supplemented in 2002 by unofficial recommendations issued by the higher education associations. The HBO-Raad drew up a list of abbreviations to be used together with the B. for Bachelor. And the VSNU added the LL.M. as a third possibility for university graduates, alongside the M.A. and the M.Sc. This meant that there were now three possibilities in English that were roughly equivalent to the three Dutch titles at doctoraal level. Nuffic found the use of LL.M. acceptable despite the fact that the term is borrowed from another system, where it is applied to programmes and degrees that are different in terms of both function and content from the Dutch law programmes. For Nuffic, the critical factor was that the levels are the same. Up to now the WHW has not been amended to include any mention of the LL.M., however. The education ministry has agreed to look into the matter, but at the moment the status of the title LL.M. is not as official as that of the titles M.A. and M.Sc. Nevertheless, its use is widespread and for many meesters in de rechten it remains a useful international option. Some Dutch universities even print the title ‘Master of Laws, abbreviated to LL.M.’ on the diplomas they award to their law graduates. The lack of equivalence in terms of all but level might be a formal reason for Dutch meesters in de rechten to decide against using LL.M., however, as would its lack of an official status. But there is another reason as well. The abbreviation LL.M. is now being used widely in a different context. Since the introduction of the bachelor’s-master’s degree structure, more and more higher education institutions of various types are offering one-year postgraduate programmes that are concluded with ‘an LL.M. degree’. These programmes—which are offered not only in Europe, but also in the USA and elsewhere—generally have an international orientation and are taught in English in order to attract foreign students. Dutch meesters in de rechten who place the letters ‘LL.M.’ after their names should be aware of this new development. They should also know that in Britain, very few law students pursue an LL.M. Most earn an LL.B. (Bachelor of Laws) in a highly specialized bachelor’s programme and then prepare for the exam that makes them either a barrister or a solicitor. Academically inclined law graduates go straight for a Ph.D. Even in Britain, the term ‘LL.M.’ is now applied mainly to the great variety of one-year international courses described above. In the USA, the study of law is different again. There, a more general four-year bachelor’s degree is followed by three years of law school for the Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree. Law graduates who want to practise law then sit the bar examination, while law graduates who wish to pursue an academic career enrol in a one-year LL.M. programme. In the USA, as in Britain, the term ‘LL.M.’ is increasingly being applied to one-year courses designed mainly for international students. http://www.nuffic.nl/pdf/nuffic/glossary/LLMindutchcontext.doc Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:31:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#1752 Hi guys, good article. If you are looking for LL.M.'s in the Netherlands, you can check www.studyin.nl. There is a whole database of courses and programmes there. You can look at the final qualifications to see with what kind of programme you are dealing with. If it says Master's degree, it might be that it is a not-recognised Master of Laws-degree. Just keep that in mind. Greetings, Anneke Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:36:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#1759 Thanks Anneke for information , By the way have heard about University of Groningen, on map it seems to be very far away :> Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#2262 Utrecht University is currently the highest ranking Dutch university. It is the alma mater of Rene Descartes and lots of Nobel Prize winners. Other Dutch universities like Leiden hire PR firms to market the school. Utrecht doesnt have to. Its Nobel Prize winners speak for the school. The LLM programmes are THE BEST. Ask any United Nations official- Utrecht´s LLM is suited to the times and have a wide variety of degree programmes to choose from. Quality of teaching and moot court seminars are excellent. Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#2269 Utrecht University and Leiden University are both ranked among the 100 best universties in the world (39. and 63. in the Academic Ranking of World Universities 2004, see http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm). However, I think Leiden's LLM programme is bigger (?) and more focused on international students. The LLM GUIDE popularity ranking places Leiden in the 7. and Utrecht in the 101. position (according to views). Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:39:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#2274 What about Amsterdam? Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:31:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#3964 I'm still very undecided between Leiden and Utrecht, can anyone help? Axel Thu, 05 May 2005 16:01:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#4804 Hi Axel, Have you solved your dilemma? I am in the same position. I have been admitted to both Utrecht and Leiden for LL.M. programme but it's difficult to decide. There is something sexi about both of them (staff at Leiden University seems to be of very high quality-it is full of professors) but overall ranking of Utrecht seems to be better. If you hear anything interesting, please let me know. Good luck with deciding!!! Anna Mon, 09 May 2005 22:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#4941 Hi Anna, I have no idea yet, I have about three weeks to decide and I am trying to get all the information possible I can get from people who either know the Universities or have attended the programs. I agree that while Leiden University seems more likeable, there seems to be a consensus on Utrechts reputation. Yet, I recently found out that Leiden is member of more European and International Affiliation School Programs with schools like Oxford and Cambridge and at the same time I found out that Utrecht has better academic reputation in general. I am very undecided and I don't have much time left...if anyone out there can give us more insight on this issue it will be highly appreciated... Thanx Wed, 11 May 2005 15:22:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5022 what kind of jobs can you get after earning an LLM at a Dutch University? Thu, 19 May 2005 20:36:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5562 I am taking votes now.... Utecht or Leiden? Fri, 20 May 2005 12:01:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5582 everything depends on money. Leiden is more expensive than U Sat, 21 May 2005 09:29:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5617 I would choose Utrecht - has LLM in both International and European Law, good for law firms and clients. Should you decide to take only one course in European law, still your final degree would be : ``Master of International AND European Law´´, quite neat. :) It allows you to choose a variety of subjects too. It is academically harder perhaps because it requires moot court subjects and preparing for an international law moot court of the Jessup type is demanding. You cant copy notes from your classmates on this one, but think of how your CV appears if you have an LLM in International and European Law considering that it covers the rapidly expanding European Union including perhaps, international environmental law and of course,business law. From the standpoint of a better CV, it does look impressive :) Sat, 21 May 2005 10:18:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5619 i suggest you look on one more option, Rijksuiversiteit Groningen (Univ of Groningen). I've been there a year, and have a real great time! i love that city and looking forward to go there again. *wink* If you check it in www.qanu.nl which has been translated above, you can see that RUG is the best one because it gets 7 point of GOOD! but if you like to have fun, then it's better to go for an llm in ams ;PPP i took the international economic and business law program. but utrecht and leiden are very famous hehehe... Sat, 21 May 2005 10:27:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5620 for tilburg, it's a famous law scholl in nl also.. for erasmus, the law scholl is not really good. they are famous in business program, from what i heard. but for me, still... groningen is the best. and it's cheap!!!!!!! for leiden, i heard that there are internal problems there, is that rite? and for utrecht, one of my prof is graduated from utrecht and then choose groningen because he saw the good prospect in RuG Tue, 24 May 2005 09:31:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5704 Thanx everyone for their replies, they have been very helpful. I think I finally made up my mind. I'm going with the first school I applied to and the one that initially got me going. Anyway thanks everyone this forum is awesome, you can really get great information here. I'll read your posts at Utrecht... axelw Thu, 26 May 2005 22:28:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5790 Does anyone know anything about Vrije University Amsterdam programme in international commercial and trade law? I've got their letter of admissions. I also received a full scholarship... However, I'm not sure abobut the quality of the programme.. is it worth of spending a year there and more importantly, a scholarship that I've got recently? Fri, 27 May 2005 10:38:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5796 Dear all! I'm Kemal from North Caucasus (Russia). I have been admitted to LLM programme in Leiden University (European Business Law). I am confused now. Is it a nice way to study in Master course in Leiden and will it easy to me to find a job in some companies or legal firms? It” s a very important to me. I’m a newcomer and please excuse for some my naivety questions. Kemal. Sat, 28 May 2005 16:37:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5838 Hi guys, I am graduating at Maastricht University (European Law School) and I am employed as a student assistent over there. I work for the Chairman of the education institute so I have inside information about the ranking of the programs. I am a bit concerned about your knowledge of the rankings of the different dutch programs. I know for 100% sure that Maastricht University is qualified as best university for 2 successive years. This year even two research institutes found Maastricht the best one. Another argument is that maastricht university participates in all the moot courts. With regard to the ELMC one that reached 4 times the final out of 11 editions. The groups that reached the final also consisted out of LLM students. Recently a group of LLM students became third at the WTO Moot Court in Geneva. Further I also have a lot of contact with the LLM students as a graduating student (assistant). Concrete results are that two LLM students of the Maastricht MIC program (Magister Iuris Communis) managed to get into the Blue Book of the European Union. One recently got into the WTO. So I would definitely advise you students considering doing an LLM program in the Netherlands look at the information on the MIC program!!! Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:02:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5953 i suggest you look on one more option, Rijksuiversiteit Groningen (Univ of Groningen). I've been there a year, and have a real great time! i love that city and looking forward to go there again. *wink* If you check it in www.qanu.nl which has been translated above, you can see that RUG is the best one because it gets 7 point of GOOD! but if you like to have fun, then it's better to go for an llm in ams ;PPP i took the international economic and business law program. but utrecht and leiden are very famous hehehe... I'm interested too in how Groningen compares to Utrecht and Leiden. From the scores above, it seems to be the best law school in the Netherlands. Would it make sense to choose it over UU or Leiden? Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#5955 I'm curious too how Groningen compares to Utrecht and Leiden. From the scores posted above, it seems to be the best law school in the Netherlands. Would it make sense to choose it over UU or Leiden? Dunny Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:44:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6000 Dear mr. Dunny, The inquiry you are referring to dates from the period 1996-2001 so I want to point at more recent ones. Further I can assure that the institution has no authority in assessing universities. The institutions that have a reputation on this field are: the Dutch (federal) ministry of education, culture and sciences, de 'keuzegids' and Elsevier. The first two concluded in 2004 that Maastricht University was the best overall university. Elsevier only says this with regard to the European Law departement. At this website you find the report of the 'keuzegids' that dates from 2004. Page 3 shows the ranking: http://www.utwente.nl/jaarverslag/onderwijs/performance/uitgelicht/keuzegids.pdf I also give you a link that discusses Leiden's reputation that was traditionally quite good however the last years its image is declining. The article is in dutch so anyone that does not believe me on my word needs to consult a translator: http://www.lvsa.nl/. Maybe you guys find this stupid but I have no interest promoting Maastricht: I am graduating and will do my LLM at Ghent Law School. Again I want to share the information I got as an student assistant with you guys. In fact I was trilled that Dunny (without insulting him) alleged that RUG is the best university by referring to an inquiry of 10 years ago. Science is in progress!!! Roeland Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6002 Dear Mr. Roeland, actually, Dunny was just quoting Tresna's post! Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:59:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6025 Dear Marks, My answer was just of a general nature, it certainly was no attack. I recently noted that Tresna was also aware of the problems that were going on in Leiden. I don't get why this website still is presenting it as a favourable program? Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:46:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6069 Dear Roeland, thanks for your links, quite interesting stuff. Still, my personal view is that Leiden ist a very good university with a long tradition in teaching law. To me, the whole ranking issue seems to be overrated in Europe. Rankings may be important in the UK and the US. We continental Europeans should be proud that we have so numerous good universities, maybe not Harvards, though... :-) Marks Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:27:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6324 On the differences between the Dutch Law Schools The general level of University education in the Netherlands is at a very good level. The general Bachelor programs at Dutch Law Schools are very similar (to some extent due to requirements of the Dutch Bar Council). If you want to focus on differences between the programs, you should be aware of the marginal importance of these facts. Some differences of interest are: the student-staff ratio (e.g.,Tilburg University and Free University Amsterdam have approx. 1 member of staff per 26 students and Leiden and Amsterdam you'll be with approx. 57 students, for figures see below), and the reputation of a Law School in research (see below). For Master programs this is a bit different, because of the specialized nature of these programs. For Dutch Law Schools is rather common that every significant research group within the school does have its own Master. Because most of the professors and lecturers will be provided by these research groups their reputation/quality (especially in research) is of importance. Another factor you should look at is the maximum number of people that can be admitted to a program. I would prefer smaller groups, because there may be more interaction between professors and students. For the reputation of research groups you may just ask the Law School. Good sources are quality assesment reports by the QANU (Foundation Quality Assurance Netherlands Universities: www.qanu.nl) or assesments carried out by the universities themselves. Also of interest is that in the Netherlands several universities offer more academic oriented master programs (research masters, most of them resulting in a M.Phil and a LL.M degree). These two-year programs offer courses on legal research, but also have specific focus on a specific area of the law. Currently Utrecht University, Tilburg University, Groningen University, Nijmegen University and Maastricht University offer such programs. In general the number of students is limited and some of these masters offer Ph.D positions for the top students after the master. There are differences between the programs. Recent figures on Research Quality can be found at: http://www.qanu.nl/comasy/uploadedfiles/recht%5B2%5D.Internet.pdf (period 1995-2000, new report not yet available). The overall score of Tilburg University was the best, but the quality of the specific research group can be more important. Student-Staff ratio (QANU: 1996-2001) source: http://www.qanu.nl/comasy/uploadedfiles/Rechtsgeleerdheidwebsite.pdf (Dutch) Tilburg University (UvT) 24,1 Free University Amsterdam (VU) 26,5 Radboud University Nijmegen 26,5 Maastricht University (UM) 31,7 Groningen University (RUG) 39,6 Utrecht University (UU) 41,4 Erasmus University Rotterdam (EUR) 47,4 Leiden University (UL) 57,3 University of Amsterdam (UvA) 57,5 Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:03:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6357 Thanks for this thorough post! Just one question: Do you know where to find information about the master programme at Radboud University Nijmegen? Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:54:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6423 Dear Marks Nijmegen has no postgraduate masters. Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6424 Thanks roeland, I was already wondering why I could not find any information about this on the university website! Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:37:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6442 Dear Marks, I don t know what your future prospects are but I can recommend you to consider the llm programs Amsterdam university offers: for example the one in business law. Again I would certainly not go to Leiden. Roeland Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:16:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6477 Hello guys, please let me Introduce myself before ,I'm Andono but just call me NINO ok! I came from Jakarta INDONESIA, I want to ask some information, in your objective what do you think the LLM program in erasmus rotterdam with specialization in bussiness trade law, is it has good quality? becasue a week ago i had received letter of acceptance and now I'm confuse to decide ,please help me ok thanks all Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:31:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6501 Hi Nino Actually you made a good choice. Erasmus Rotterdam has a good reputation and a friend of mine is doing an LLM there and he is very enthusiastic. Some of the teachers are partners in large law firms. That makes the LLM even more interesting. Good luck!!! Roeland. Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:28:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6508 HI, guys! what do you think about the LLM program in Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam ? Thank you in advance! Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:07:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6513 Dear roeland thanks for ur reponse, did you mean If I want to have specialization in bussiness law, rotterdam is well recommended ? but i assume u want to tell me that if I want have specialization in bussines law, rotterdam is ok but for other specialization such International or criminal law it's not recommended ,thanks a lot roe ! btw where are u from? do you have an email address?, C U Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:37:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6514 Dear Nino, I am a belgian citizen, study in Maastricht, next year in Ghent (LLM). I think Erasmus University is in general a good reputation although i must admit that I am not aware of the different reputation on criminal law. I need to look it up. My emailadres: roeland_jans@hotmail.com Roeland. Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:45:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6898 HELLO! I am an Italian Law graduate......next year I will be in GRONINGEN......and since in here I saw that some of you have already been there.....well, do you have any advice? Things to do, to bring, to remember.....ANY advice is welcome!!! Also......I am SO worried about the Housing Office... Any way......I HOPE TO receive many emails from those of you that know the place! I will move to Groningen in the second half of August....so hurry up, tell me!! Thank You! Good Luck everybody! Ciao, Anteo Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6899 Hello everyone! Within 30 days I will move to Groningen....and since in here I saw some of you have been there....well, my name is Anteo, and if you have any kind of advice or thoughts, write them to me as ap! My email is always available.... Let me know! See you in The Netherlands....and maybe in GRONINGEN!! Ciao, Anteo Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:28:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#6986 Dear, I think groningen is a good choice. A few of my teachers here in the university i studied did their undergraduate legal studies in groningen and they are all very positive about it. About the city i don t know much. The curriculum they offer also appears to be quite good so don t worry. One thing i think i have to warn you for is that in my opinion (i am half belgian/half dutch but carry belgian nationality) people are not that flexible over here. I mean people from the administration at school/government. Roeland. Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:39:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#7066 HI, guys! what do you think about the LLM program in Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam ? Thank you in advance! HI Amy, I had the same question sever weeks ago. nobody ever responded. I'm accepoted to Vrije University's International Commercial and Trade Law programme. Considering that I've got full scholarship for this course, I'm going there without hasitation as I don't have anything to loose. Well, if the programme is not very good, I can at least spend a year in Amsterdam :)).. Are you also accepted at Vrije? are you coming? which programme? ONCE AGAIN, ANYBODY!!! PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT VRIJE UNIVERSITY Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:28:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#7106 Hi there everyone. It is very strange, but when I was registering fot Vrije University program, I was informed that no scholarship is available. Therefore, I prefered Pallas program. Does anyone knows about Pallas itself? I am concerned about studying quality. Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:36:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#7107 Dear Pallas is a very good program. A lot of law firms are involved in teaching. The program has also a quite good reputation so don t worry. I think it is a much better choice than the vrije universiteit of Amsterdam Greets Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#7203 Anyone going to Groningen, Good choice! I myself are a student in Groningen (not a law student but international relations) and I can only say that Groningen was awarded the best law-faculty in the Netherlands plus it's the nicest city if you like to be among many many students... as far as the housing-office: be alarmed, be quick! Housing international students unfortunately isn't the best skill of the RUG. But if you are quick and persistent, you won't m have too many problems finding a room. Good luck! Mees Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:28:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#7208 Thank You for giving me your advices and idea about Groningen.....it is a HUGE difference when yuu know something about the place you are going to!! Should you have any new or any way more advices/idea, please share them with me! I am preparing physically and psychologically......so concering things to bring going there...or maybe things to know once I get there....or to be aware of... Anything!! FOr example...is it true that by bike you can reach everything within the city? I HAVE A ROOM NOW! it is in Blekerslaan (right spelling?)...is it a good Student House? Advices? Thanks guys! Should you go to Italy...let me know, I can give you very good advices about that one ;) Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#7298 Hi there everyone. It is very strange, but when I was registering fot Vrije University program, I was informed that no scholarship is available. Therefore, I prefered Pallas program. Does anyone knows about Pallas itself? I am concerned about studying quality. Hi there, the thing is that I have the scholarship from my own country's government... As far as I know Vrije University is not giving any financial aid. Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:36:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#7303 Don t worry, The pallas program s quality is quite good. A lot of prestigious law firms take part in the program. As you in the description the llm pallas consortium offers, you got at the end a llm that is recognised by ten universities. Professors of these ten universities take part in teaching. greets roeland Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:29:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#7310 Hey there! thank you to all of you...you make this web site helpful!! does anyone know how long or how easy it easy to go from amsterdam airport to the train station, and then to groningen?? Any other comment or idea or advice about groningen is WELCOME!! Thank you ;) Tue, 06 Dec 2005 02:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#8882 So, now we all are busy with our studies :) Let's write our feedbacks here.. I'm busy with my LLM Int. Commercial and Trade law programm in Vrije University of Amsterdam. Program is really great... This is my second masters (so I'm really experienced in LLMs) and frankly speaking I was happy to discover that this program is much better than I expacted it to be.. What about others? Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#8896 Dear all, I am Dalek and I am a graduate school student from Taiwan. Would you like to provide me with the information about law school in nl? I am dealing with exchange program for my institution. Is there any law school focus on TELECOMMUNICATION LAW or WTO REGULATIONS and the program is taught in English? Thanks for your kind reply. Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#9263 Hi Guys, I am a Dutch law student and I saw your questions regarding several dutch law schools. I just want to draw your attention to the latest Elsevier ranking for law schools 1. Tilburg University 2. Groningen 3. Utrecht 4. Amsterdam Free University 5. Nijmegen 6.Maastricht 7. University of Amsterdam 8. Leiden 9. Eurasmus Rotterdam This ranking was made by Dutch Law Professors. Also, Tilburg University is ranked # 35 in the world in the latest SSRN law school ranking, being the second European University after Cambridge. Its only a young university, but a really good one. Leiden is the oldest university in the Netherlands, and is therefore the most well-known one abroad, but its reputation is based on performance in the past, rather than on present achievements. Maybe this is of any help for you in deciding wich university to choose. Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:16:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#9269 Can you give a reference for your rankings? The picture is a bit different if you look at the 2005 global university ranking by the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai. Please note that this ranking does take into account the performance in the past, such as the number of Nobel prize winners, see http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ ARWU2005Methodology.htm#Meth1 Also it's not a ranking of law schools, but of universities in general: 01 Univ Cambridge 02 Univ Oxford 03 Imperial Coll London 04 Univ Coll London 05 Swiss Fed Inst Tech - Zurich 06 Univ Utrecht 07 Karolinska Inst Stockholm 08 Univ Paris 06 09 Univ Edinburgh 10 Univ Munich 11 Tech Univ Munich 12 Univ Manchester 13 Univ Copenhagen 13 Univ Zurich 15 Uppsala Univ 16 Univ Paris 11 17 Univ Bristol 18 Univ Sheffield 19 Moscow State Univ 20 Univ Oslo 21 Univ Heidelberg 22 Univ Leiden 23 Univ Helsinki 24 King's Coll London 25 Univ Nottingham http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005Main.htm Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#9270 That's only the European unis of course... Most of the top unis worldwide are still American. Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:18:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#13787 Don t worry, The pallas program s quality is quite good. A lot of prestigious law firms take part in the program. As you in the description the llm pallas consortium offers, you got at the end a llm that is recognised by ten universities. Professors of these ten universities take part in teaching. greets roeland actually it is the 8 participating Universities and other universities too (Leuven, Geneva, Rotterdam). over 60 different lecturers teach during the program Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:08:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#20928 waqar ahmad bhatti teh courts pindi bhattian dist hafizabad pakistan Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:53:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#20933 what do you think about the programs in the Univesity of Amsterdam? I have 3 years profesional experience in business and trade law, which program do you recommend me? Thanks in advance. David Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:39:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/488/last#22013 Hi David, I would suggest to check the programmes offered byTilburg University. Currently, it is the best university in NL. The content of International and European Business Law is much more interesting than in Amsterdam (at least for me).