http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913 en Interest in the Academic ? Association to be created ? - LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Mon, 09 May 2005 08:50:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4913 Hello, This thread is a little bit out of the usual scope of LLMs...sorry. For those of you who already had the chance to attend Congresses, you may have noticed that it's quite hard to find your place among "grey-haired" partners. And if you go to younger Congresses, you may find the level a bit disappointing. Since a couple of years, I have the idea to create an association that would allow young lawyers/academic people who publish from time to time in any field (i.e. interest in the law from an academic perspective, whether corporate, contracts, history, philosophy, public, international) to meet for instance once during "our" Congress. This forum only reinforced my idea that there are wonderful people everywhere that we'll never have any opportunity to meet (wherever we go) and that such an association at the international level for young people is missing. I thought that this forum might be a good opportunity for me to give me some ideas about the interest of trying to put up something. Who has an interest in the academic and would be interested in joining such an association ? Mon, 09 May 2005 09:00:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4915 Bitsou, I'm not sure what you mean by "congress". Do you mean academic conferences? If so, what do you mean by "our congress"? Do you intend to organise a conference? I'm a little lost. Mon, 09 May 2005 09:13:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4916 Hi Joseph, By Congress, I mean the meetings organized for instance by the IBA every year. My idea for quite a long time would be to create an association gathering young people (less than fourty for instance) who have an interest in the academic and would like to have the opportunity to meet people having the same intellectual interests for law. Every member of the association would pay a yearly fee, and would meet once a year at a given place to lecture on certain current topics in our respective fields (for instance at the University of the President for that given year if there's a new elected President every year). That's just a quick thought...but you see the idea ? Mon, 09 May 2005 12:01:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4921 OK, Bitsou. I think I see what you mean (although it was my understanding that the IBA has an annual conference but let's leave nomenclature aside). I'm certainly interested in discussing the idea further, though. Mon, 09 May 2005 15:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4930 Hi, I am interested in your idea and i know a lot of people from Brazil who are interested in that issue as well. Can you tell me a little bit more of it? Where you from? What university did you attend to? Best Regards, J. P. Tue, 10 May 2005 19:24:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4977 Ok, I find the idea interesting and stimulating. My area of interest is IT/IP law, as yours if I haven't misunderstood. I'm Italian, where I also collaborate with the IT law department at the Univ. of Milan and I'll be in Duke to focus on IP, Science & Technology next year. I've already spent a couple of years in Scotalnd doing an LL.M. at Strathclyde under the supervision of Ian Lloyd, u know him I guess, so I have a good network of people certainly willing to participate almost all over Europe and all in their thirty, particularly in Greece, Germany and France. Some people of high profile, I'm thinking about, are also from India and Malaysia. If your intentions are concrete, I'd be happy to participate. Let's set up a web site as virtual home of the project with a forum and a mailing list, contact people, wait for comments and, then, shape the structure and the scope of the association (is it something like that u would like to create? or do u have in mind another form of community? a foundation maybe? as for me I believe that strict forms are to avoid and a flexible virtual community able to operate externally too is the solution...) Keep in touch. If u like I will post to you in PT my personal email (better privacy paranoia, than "privacy myopia", Froomkin teaches us) Gian Tue, 10 May 2005 22:16:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4981 Hi, Thanks for your support. Yes, this is indeed the idea. However, I first of all want to have an idea of the interest raised by this possible association on this forum. If people doing an LLM are not interested in, I guess it will be difficult to put something in place that could have a future. For the time being, I consider the interest to close to null... Besides, the idea I had was to create an association with an academic orientation, i.e. young people who publish from time to time at least, as others associations already exist for young lawyers (AIJA). I thought that if there were enough people interested in, everybody could use the year spent in his/her Law School to try and see if people would like to join in. But I'm fairly reluctant to spend time and efforts to build something up for the time being...too little interest I guess. Tue, 10 May 2005 23:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4986 Hi Bitsou, I might be interested in joining, I am in the academic field. I understand that it would take some work to implement.... but please keep me informed if it does come through. THX Wed, 11 May 2005 00:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4988 I thank you Bitsou, for the idea that you raise is very exciting and you shouldn’t lose heart so soon! (Hi Joseph1, jpscalzilli, bucefalo, LB) To set up a structure that will survive past the end of our one year program seems quite challenging, but I guess this isn’t impossible. I am personally leaning towards a lawyer’s career but would be particularly interested in an academic oriented association, and to build it even more! Lawyers as well as academics love legal reasoning for itself, and it’s more than likely that many LLM students will take interest in an organization involved in more theoretical issues than the AIJA. It’s actually striking to see how many young lawyers and judges teach classes in law universities. It can’t only be for glory, some of them must be sincerely interested! ;-) Anyway, I was involved in several law students associations in France and should be able to contact interested / interesting people. This would really be a great plan and you could definitely count me in! Tell us what you think, and we’ll keep in touch. Wed, 11 May 2005 00:17:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#4989 URGENT Hi, everybody. I am sorry but, lets continue this thesis in "general" section of this site. Because the name is more related to general questions.........And for example me, gave my suggestions to all who want to be involved in organization of our still virtual "Congress" in section "GENERAL"........Idea is great but lets deside.......(look in section "general" ) Wed, 11 May 2005 08:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5004 Bitsou, I think there may be more people in this board who are interested in the idea of an new international association or network for young lawyers. I think it would be great to meet and to keep in touch with other LLMs. Kem, I guess we should continue this discussion in the USA section of the board because it has much more visitors than the general section. If there are enough other people interested in this, we could also ask whether we could have a new section for this in the LLM board. Wed, 11 May 2005 08:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5005 Hey Bitsou, I think it is a wonderful Idea. This has been on my mind for some time too.. I run a student organisation called the Law Students Association of India, Bangalore.. We started out as an 8 people movement and now we are spread across the country. One of our important publications is the 'Sinai', which has academic contributions in all fields from law students, Lawyers and legal academicia from all over the world. Sinai helped us build association with the legal fraternity across borders. I would be interested in joining the organisation and LSAI would definately be interested in being an affiliate of this organisation in India. We can start with something informal and then allow it to grow into a larger movement. Wed, 11 May 2005 09:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5007 Hello everyone, Ok, thanks for this sudden move, it might be worth still thinking about it. I actually had put the thread in "General" as well, but as Arnaud put it correctly, much more people look at the US section, which explains its presence here. I actually already have a bit of experience by creating local association (in the arbitration field this time), and I know you need a real interest to make things work, which explains my doubts. For the time being, people interested are: 1. Joseph: sorry, but I don't remember where you're from :) ? 2. bucefalo: Italy 3. jpscalzilli: brazil 4. legallyblonde: where r u from ? 5. tom_france: sorry also, but same as Joseph, I don't remember :) 6. Kem: hello, where r u from ? 7. Arnaud: somewhere in europe I guess, but where :) 8. MSK: India I have connections in France, Germany and the Maghreb countries. We miss Asia... I'll try and see if future LLM students at Yale are interested...I guess they should, otherwise it's disappointing. I suggest that you give me your private e-mails. I'll try and start a group at yahoo and explain you in more details the way I see things (but once again, for the time being, it's still vague). Kind Regards to all Wed, 11 May 2005 12:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5017 I'm from...........France! ;-) Wed, 11 May 2005 16:13:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5024 tom_france --> are you really from France?! :-) Bitsou, I am also interested in your project. I'm from Luxembourg. I know it's a small country, but there is no such Association whatsoever and no real possibility to publish for young academics/lawyers.. I have been talking about this with friends, and we were thinking about starting something like that after our LLM. Integrating this in an international network would be even more interesting! Wed, 11 May 2005 16:34:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5026 Dear Bitsou, Why am I not surprised that you are initiating so much activity on the forum? :))) That is wonderful. Unfortunately, there are not so many people that are ready to do so much good for the sake of others. Although I am not too much into academics myself, I would love to take part in this wonderful activity. As a member of the National Postgraduate Civil Law Society and the Civil Law Club of Moscow State University Law School I would be happy to inform my fellow friends (interested parties) about your initiative and find a representative for the planned association here in Moscow. I think that you already have my e-mail. Wed, 11 May 2005 16:53:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5027 Hi, Bitsou, as usual, you have great ideas :)) As you may remember, I'm Ukrainian and I'm doing a Ph.D. in a French university.. So I have also some academic interests. I would be happy to join your project. Wed, 11 May 2005 18:33:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5028 Hi everyone! Bitsou, your idea is wonderful. I'm from Brasil and very interested in your project. This is a great wy to meet LLM students and lawyers from different countries. Count with me. Varnieri Wed, 11 May 2005 18:39:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5029 Sounds like an interesting idea, and one I could be interested in helping through it's formative stages. Have you seen the following two websites? http://www.elsa.org/ - claims to be the world's largest law students association (which sounds similar to what you are talking about, though I may have misunderstood) There is also http://www.ilsa.org/about/index.shtml, which I assume to be smaller than ELSA. Hope this is relevant. Wed, 11 May 2005 19:30:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5034 I also find the idea very interesting,and I would like to participate,(and I am interested in the academic). I have done some research on some websites that one can publish their work.However,something more specific like this,an association of young professionals with an academic orientation would assist all interested in various ways.I think it is a great initiative,and I d definitely join! Wed, 11 May 2005 21:46:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5040 Hello, Well, I know feel more confident that it's worth trying to build something up. Many thanks for your support :) C. Miller: I know elsa yes, but the association would not be for undergraduate but graduated students (Ph.Ds for instance) who published or publish something. There are a lot of associations as regards lawyers, but not much for academic, and even less for young people. But you're very welcome if that interests you :) For everyone who's interested, I'll probably start a forum on yahoo where it will be easier to communicate in mass. Would you mind all giving me your e-mail as well as the country you're coming from (in order to have a geographical idea...) ? Best Regards Wed, 11 May 2005 22:24:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5042 Wed, 11 May 2005 22:29:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5043 Wed, 11 May 2005 22:40:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5044 Hi Kem, Despite the fact that I love New technologies, I'd prefer to have a real association having a conference held somewhere where you can talk to people in the eyes :) Needless to say, I know that the funding will be THE issue, especially if we want the association to be "democratic" in its scope and enable people less lucky than western european or north american guys to come. But let's start with the beginning, step by step (structure is not difficult). There's a solution to every problem; the issue is just to find it :) Wed, 11 May 2005 23:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5045 I agree with u, lets start and then everything wil be OK, i am sure..............So if we did the first step ( u did it) i mean the idea, we need to do the second one. Lets plan ways of accreditation of this organization, and ceirtanly the NAME.....what do u think? Thu, 12 May 2005 01:59:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5047 Despite the fact that I love New technologies, I'd prefer to have a real association having a conference held somewhere where you can talk to people in the eyes :) blockquote> You can talk to people and look then in the eyes also through the Net ;-)... I consider technology an enormous opportunity to create something truly "new" and with extraordinary possibilities of growth. At the end of the day what u need is a pc, an internet connection, a microphone ad a webcam (...better if you get a Skype.com account...free voice over IP to communicate almost everywhere on the planet...from and to US the line is clear and stable and, by the way, I advice all the internationals to get it in order to save thousand of dollars in int. calls...) Any way if you like to hold a conference at Bahamas, it's fine for me too, but I guess that something like the Net International Jurists Association (NIJA...sounds cool :-)...) would be more apt to the times and, in particular, it's a solution able to reduce the problems arising from the economical issue... Anyway the traditional and the virtual association could coexist...but let's argue about that in the yahoo forum and shape step by step the form of things to come... Take Care Gian Thu, 12 May 2005 12:20:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5058 Hi Bitsou, I would also be interested in your project. I guess that we will have plenty of time to discuss it at Stanford. For now, I would just ask you to put me on the list (I'm from Belgium and you have my contact details already). Thanks for this initiative. Thu, 12 May 2005 13:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5059 Bitsou, I told you! What suddently move! I knew people would be interested in such terrific idea! How many we are now? We have people from Swiss, Italy, Brazil, Russia, Luxemburg, France, India and others... fantastic. I agree with the idea of starting with something more informal and, then, develop the hole thing in something more organized. I also agrre with the idea of a forum like yahoo groups in order to have better communication! As you know, my personal email is joaopedro@scalzilli.com.br. Best regards!!! Thu, 12 May 2005 15:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5061 Hi Bitsou, I am interested too. I collaborate with an Italian University, my field is labor and employment law and Italy is my home country. Count on me Thu, 12 May 2005 16:12:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5063 Count with Spain as well! Thu, 12 May 2005 17:32:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5067 Hi everybody, so everything is going to be OK, am i right , Bitsou? :) Thu, 12 May 2005 23:36:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5081 Hi everyone :) Most of you should now have received an invitation to the forum. However, considering the number of private messages I've received, some were deleted before my writing down your e-mails addresses....sorry. Could the following persons give me their e-mail addresses ? 1. Bucefalo 2. Bruselas 3. Arnauld C 4. MSK 5. Dr Jekyll 6. Matreshka (sorry, I can't find your e-mail any longer...hmmm) 7. C. Miller 8. Evagbouzas Best Regards Thu, 12 May 2005 23:49:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5087 Hi Bitsou, how r u doing? Did u received my email? Thu, 12 May 2005 23:56:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5088 Oh, Bitsou i am sorry i have already receive it.....Thank u Thu, 12 May 2005 23:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5089 Hi Kem, Fine thanks though a bit tired. You normally should have received an invitation to join the forum. Thu, 12 May 2005 23:59:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5090 Yes, i have received that , thank u Fri, 13 May 2005 05:06:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5093 Bitsou, i guess i am having some problems in joining the yahoo group. Can you check for me if i am registered? Fri, 13 May 2005 05:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5094 no problems anymore Fri, 13 May 2005 22:41:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5148 Hello, For all those of you who are interested, the discussion on the yahoo forum related to the creation of the association have started (fairly enthusiastically I have to say). Some good may come out of it if we all work together :) For those who were invited, please accept as soon as can be, for those who are interested, please give me your private e-mails asap. The more we are, the better it will be. Kind Regards Sat, 14 May 2005 10:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5163 Hey there! I am a law student from China! And will appply for LLM in the U.S. or Canada ...I am interested in international business law ans also IP/IT law! I am willing to join the forum! Plz add me... my email is: sweetysophia_xiong@yahoo.com.cn I am sorry cuz I may not be on the Yahoo Messenger ...so is it possible that we email each other? Thanks a bunch! Sophia Sat, 14 May 2005 19:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5179 Bitsou and all the others: I think it sounds really interesting to create a new association/network for young lawyers, but I do not have time to play an active role right now (to much work in my job theses days). I would really appreciate it though if you could give regular updates on your progress with the organization in this board! I think other board users may be in the same situation and may want to join later, so this may be a good way to stay in contact... Sun, 15 May 2005 19:34:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5230 Dear All, The idea sounds good, but in order to create a respectable and noteworthy organization it should be established some criteria (scope, admission criteria, etc.) differentiate it from other associations. There are already many international young lawyers association all over the world. In Italy, for instance there is ALMA which gathers young lawers who have taken the LLM in some chosen Universties. Anyway, there should be at least one first meeting amongst the persons who want to constitute it and lay down the principles just as well as in any other company (create the articles of association with the relevant contents... ) One should narrow down the fileds of interest of this association as from my point of view it cannot be just the Law... I am ready to consider your suggestion further. My personal email: francescodariodemartino@hotmail.com Sun, 15 May 2005 19:41:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5234 Interested too. From Belgium (Université Libre de Bruxelles). Goin' for a LL.M in Canada. Could you please add my e-mail and keep me posted? ybenizri@gmail.com Mon, 16 May 2005 05:53:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#5262 I agree - this sounds like a very good idea. Bitsou, please add me to your list - jamesln_2005@yahoo.com.au Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#6575 Any news here? Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:52:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#6578 Hello Arnauld, Yes, things are moving step by step. We now have 42 members from different countries (mainly Europe and South America, some Asian as well). We just adopted our name (International Legal and Academic Society, ILAS), our future website, our statutes, and we are currently electing our 9 Executive Committee Members. I hope that we'll have a small website by the time everybody moves in the US, so as to try and advertise about it. On the whole, I'd say that things go very fine :) Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:00:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#6584 Hi, Bitsou. One more for the association. My name is Marcelo, and I am going to the University of Ottawa (Law & Technology) this Fall. Also from Brazil. Cheers! Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:11:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#6591 Hi, Count me in too! my email address is vprasan at rediffmail.com Mon, 01 May 2006 09:35:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#17588 Hi - I am interested in joining this association? Has it been created? How can I join? Tue, 02 May 2006 17:23:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/4913/last#17643 Hello, Yes, the association exists and there is an existing website at http://www.ilas.org. However, while the activities were numerous one year ago, there has been hardly anything going on for the last months as everybody is currently doing his/her LLM and/or has other priorities. To be honest, I don't know what the future of the association will be. Just let me know in private if you're nevertheless interested. Kind Regards