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Mr Hoffmann
Joined: 04 Oct 2009
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Fri Jun 04, 2010 01:19 PM
An objective element concerning the value of ULg's LLm program :

Thanks to the support of their professors, the team constituted by four actual students of the ULg's LL.M. , A-S. Come, M. Coquelet, W. De Vos and P. Sabbadini, won the finals of the Concours Lamy de la Concurrence in Paris at the French NCA.

[Edited by Mr Hoffmann on 17 Jun 2010]
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liegestudent
Joined: 27 Nov 2008
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Thu Jun 17, 2010 09:36 AM
The course program of the LL.M. in European Competition and IP law of the University of Liège has been redrafted for the 2010-2011 academic year.
It features more IP, and more competition law! It also features new teachers (which are all "big guns" in their field), and new opportunities for internship.

Direct link to the program booklet:
www.droit.ulg.ac.be/ieje/fileadmin/IEJE/Pdf/ULG-IE…
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fr
Joined: 24 Jun 2010
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Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:09 AM

[Edited by fr on 18 Aug 2010]
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Mr Hoffmann
Joined: 04 Oct 2009
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Fri Jun 25, 2010 02:19 PM
Quote : Liege does not have any top competition scholar I have ever heard of, could you name me at least one?!

At least, you admit that you do not know all big names in the field of competition law...

Check on the website before writing such things. : www.ieje.net.
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fr
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Fri Jun 25, 2010 03:21 PM
Liege student demanded me to edit my former postings where I praised a famous and outstanding professor as I had misinterpreted his intention.
This was the original message: Liegestudent argued: "However does that sole presence of professor Whish determine the value of an education programme ?
To know the true value of an education programme, you have assess the value of the whole faculty, not only of one teacher. Furthermore, I would add that places like the Kings College of London (KCL) or the College of Europe are often overrated. Yes, they have big reputations and big names. But what is the interest in having famous teachers who have no time to answer your questions or to talk with the students at the end of the course because "he has most important concerns" ?"

I had no intention to downgrade the value of Liege or his remarks.

[Edited by fr on 03 Sep 2010]
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liegestudent
Joined: 27 Nov 2008
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 09:52 AM
Dear a_n,

Please, do not misinterpret what I said. Your post is unfair.

When I said, regarding Professor Whish's publication, that it was "his business after all", there was no implied criticism. I just said it was his business, he is a scholar. If you re-read my post you will see that I have not made any ad hominem attack and that I did not imply that Pr Whish is not approachable. (This criticism was targeted at other professors that I know.) I have never criticized Professor Whish. I also acknoweldged that he is an eminent scholar.

Now, regarding your post, you said:
Sometimes one top professor can make the full of a programme.

What can I answer ? I simply don't agree with you. According to me, this is just wrong. If you follow a one-year LL-M, you will probably have more than ten courses. One good teacher out of ten will not make your LL.M.
Besides, it is always important to have various, good teachers to balance one point of view with another.
Once again, I just can't agree with your statement, I am sorry.

Finally, if you look for big names in Liège, I can guarantee you that you will easily find some ;-) . You can for example look at the predigree of :
- Pr Jean-François Bellis, head and founder of the Van Baele and Bellis law firm, leading firm in competition law in Brussels.
- Pr Derenne, head of the competition dept of Lovells LLP
- Pr Hull, head of the competition dept of Covington&Burling LLP.
- Pr Van Gyselen, head of the competition dept of Arnold& Potter LLP, and ex-senior official at DG Comp.
The four of them are leading practitionners in competition law, and are used to represent clients before the Commission and the ECJ.
The LL.M. in Liège is practice-oriented, so most teachers are not scholars, but practitionners.

Cheers,

[Edited by liegestudent on 30 Jun 2010]
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fr
Joined: 24 Jun 2010
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:12 AM
However I do not see how, after his weird remarks, the Liegestudent convinced his professor, Nicolas Petit, to praise the same professor whom I was previously praising - anonymously- as one of the 'gods' of competition law on his own blog chillingcompetition.com/page/2/
thereafter with reference to me as 'chap' and to our whole discussion for which Petit received many comments saying that it is not his business to deal with anonymous comments. Why do you care after all if you are not the Liegestudent? Hmm...Bizarre!

As bonus his reaction on his own blog on July 16 to a court judgement ' Frankly speaking, this judgment is a mascarade.' and it ends with '4. **** off'
chillingcompetition.com/

So this is how you address the judges of the European courts and then you also teach courses to your students?!
I may offer you a clear conclusion: You are your own worst enemy and your behaviour is far away from the academic standards you aim to attain one day. Behave yourself in a resposible manner, dear professor Petit!
And I was really blaming myself for misinterpreting the Liegestudent posting.

[Edited by fr on 03 Sep 2010]
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justme
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:23 AM
The LLM in Liege is for those who dont manage to get into Bruges, Oxbridge, London or the US
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liegestudent
Joined: 27 Nov 2008
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:49 AM
The LLM in Liege is for those who dont manage to get into Bruges, Oxbridge, London

... or for those who have made the choice to follow an LL.M. in Competition AND IP law !

If you follow the course on Questions spéciales de droit européen de la concurrence, Bellis is just fine. Inside the Commission and in law firms you use English.

I don't understand your point. Do you consider it is impossible to discuss in English what you have learned in French ?

Feel free to criticise anyone, it is your freedom.

Once again, I haven't criticized any scholar. I have just said that, contrary to what has been previously sipported, one teacher (here, Whish, but it could be anyone else) does not make an LL.M.

but your evaluation is based on your own experience and therefore subjective.

...

most of the time practitioners speak about cases and they never finish their stories, even after classes, until they realise they must go back to Brussels.

Don't you think you overgeneralize here ? (Especially if you don't know the teachers in question)
Anyway, here, Brussels is next door ;-)

[Edited by liegestudent on 30 Jun 2010]
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Mr Hoffmann
Joined: 04 Oct 2009
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 06:17 PM
The LLM in Liege is for those who dont manage to get into Bruges, Oxbridge, London or the US


Thank you for this interesting and well-argued post.

So, according to you, if one chooses Liege, this is only after not being accepted in Bruges, OXbridge, London or in any US university ?

1) Is it just designed to diminish Liège 's reputation on this forum or have you any valid grounds?

2) If so, seriously, presenting your opinion as a fact is not working on anyone....

[Edited by Mr Hoffmann on 30 Jun 2010]
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skeikhbaron
Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 04:14 PM
Bruges without a doubt!

Been there done that ... toughest EC comp law programme around and I've studied at several institutions ...
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Mr Hoffmann
Joined: 04 Oct 2009
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Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:52 PM
LLM in Liège.

But, the only valid point would come from somebody who has attended both.
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