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sreekanthcnair

Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Tue Mar 17, 2009 02:44 PM
Hai!!
I'm Sreekanth, currently pursuing my 8th Semester BA. LL. B (Hons.) degree. I will be completing my law graduation by the March 2010. I wish go for an LL.m after this course. I have a dream of becoming a lawyer specialized in Maritime law (but I'm not sure how good my choice is...) Please guide me as to the best area of specialisation, best place to study(will be of good, if its not too expensive), and the approximate fees.. your replies will be of great use to me.
Anticipating your reply,
Sreekanth.

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Maximus
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Tue Mar 17, 2009 05:14 PM
Hi srikkanth,

If u want to pursue an LL.M. degree in Maritime Law,then the best place for it is Tulane University (U.S). I had applied this year and got a fee waiver of 50%. Their staff are also very co-operative and reply to mails etc. quickly.

Regarding your choice of a field, it depends upon your personal interest. However,the scope for maritime practice in India doesn't seem to be too good as compared to other fields such as corporate law.
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sreekanthcnair

Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Tue Mar 17, 2009 05:22 PM
Maximus, Thanks a lot dude.. Hei, i don wish to practice in India.I"m ready to practice anywhere, but my preference goes to Europe first... All i need is to be in the filed of law, with a reputation and money.

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sreekanthcnair

Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Wed Mar 18, 2009 02:10 PM
Please post your suggestions, it will b of great use to me...

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Maximus
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Wed Mar 18, 2009 02:54 PM
I am sorry Srikkanth, I am not aware of the scenario in the U.K. But i do know that Tulane is the best place to study Maritime Law in the U.S. Maybe it is better than in the U.K., but i wouldn't know for sure.

As far as employment opportunities are concerned, the U.S.has a better job market than the U.K.. However, maritime law as a field itself is more restricted than others. But if u graduate from Tulane, i think you might have a good chance of landing a Job.
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Tonanini
Joined: 08 Apr 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Thu Apr 09, 2009 05:49 PM
Hi Srikkanth...I have been working as a trainee average adjuster firm for 2 years (a profession related to a special branch of maritime law).

In UK, UCL, Southampton and University of Wales do offer LLM in maritime law. It is said that UCL and Southampton offer the best maritime law programme. However, from my observation, most people in the shipping industry are mostly from Southampton and then Wales. Usually people with working experience take LLM programmes from these two Uni if they want to further pursue their legal studies (with more from Southampton).

Like Maximus said, in US it would be the Uni of Tulane.

My experience is that the maritime lawyers in US are mainly deal with pollution and oil leakage......while in UK it would be arbitration, collision, insurance, salvage, etc.....

Hope the above helps.

Tony
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sreekanthcnair

Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Thu Apr 09, 2009 05:54 PM
Thanks a lot dear.. Your info is reely helpful... How about the career opportunity and pay? any idea?? b'coz I'm planning to take an education loan....

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PUCCA

Joined: 23 Oct 2008
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Fri Apr 10, 2009 04:04 AM
in the Uk University of Southampton is top of the top. I studied there for a year as a visiting student while I was doing my LLB. I loved my experience and although I was taking LLB course the quality of teaching was simply excellent and the teachers were outstaning.

Their facilities and the town in general is very very nice. Lots of things to do, many extracurricular activities. You will sure have a very nice time.

And the accommodation is also very good. My room had ensuite facilities and was very big.

Good luck with your decision! :)

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Tonanini
Joined: 08 Apr 2009
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Fri Apr 10, 2009 04:06 AM
I seldom encounter UK maritime lawyers who are from non-EU countries. Maybe there are few, but sure are not many. Or they have sea-going experience for 5 or more years......but I suppose u dont have such working exp.

Another route of getting in the industry is to join the P&I Clubs....I dont know whether you know what they are but one day you will know if you study or work in this industry. Generally they are the shipowners' liability insurers formed by the shipowners themselves. It seems that they are more willing to employ ppl from other countries. For you I think you will join the claims side.....and almost all the claims P&I ppl have the title "Claims Executive" regardless of their exp. and qualification (even those former City Firm partners)....so the salary of a claims executive may vary greatly from another. I don't have a precise figure here, perhaps similar as those maritime lawyers. Though I've seen P&I claims executives joined the Clubs as a fresh grad., P&I Claims like employing ppl with exp and legal qualification as they dont like spending time on basic training.......
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sreekanthcnair

Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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Fri Apr 10, 2009 04:07 AM
Thanks Pucca, Any idea about the placement opportunity and pay scale ( An average)

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PUCCA

Joined: 23 Oct 2008
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Sat Apr 11, 2009 07:20 AM
Im sorry I have no idea about the pay scale or placement opportunity you may have! but most unis have an excellent career service which can help you choose a good law firm or something else.

GOOD LUCK sreekanthcnair

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PUCCA

Joined: 23 Oct 2008
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Sat Apr 11, 2009 07:43 AM
Hey what about the Institute of Maritime Law of the University of Southampton. maybe you could be part of their staff after you graduate from your LLM in Maritime Law

www.iml.soton.ac.uk/aboutus/what_is_iml.html

Here is also the Maritime Law Directory where you can find several law firms or companies related to the maritime world.

www.marinelawdirectory.com/

And what about this other website. It has several adds looking for shipping lawyers, so you can have an idea of what the maritime market is looking for

jobs.trovit.co.uk/jobs/shipping-law-firms

Hope this helps you at least a little bit! I tried to do my best! :O)

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sreekanthcnair

Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Sat Apr 11, 2009 09:07 AM
Pucca,
Thanks a lot dear... The every bit of info you are giving is very valuable to me... Since, I'm at zero level now.... Thanks again, Hei, can you suggest me any other stream of specialisation that gives me a job of repute and good pay...

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PUCCA

Joined: 23 Oct 2008
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 04:15 AM
Many people here seem to choose commercial law/business law because it seems to offer very good jobs and a good pay!

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clerkly
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Wed Apr 15, 2009 09:57 PM
Sreekanthcnair,

Just to add a sidekick that may be different than the UK and US-programmes you might wan't to check out the Scandinavian Institute of Maritime Law at the Univesity og Oslo, Norway.

www.jus.uio.no/nifs/nifs/english/index.html

The programme is to the best of my opinion widely recognized as the best maritime law LLM-programme in Scandinavia.

Regarding your questions on choice of field etc. I can say that I work with transportation law on an almost full time basis. In Denmark the field of core practioners are relatively small with the traditional major firms as well as a few smaller boutiques dominating the market. On the owner-side the P&I clubs are handling most matters on behalf of members.

I don't have specific knowledge regarding the market in UK or the US. However I would say that the transactions, M&A, financing etc. seems to be better paid than collisions and claims handling.

Good luck.

[Edited by clerkly on 15 Apr 2009]

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clerkly
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:02 PM
Maximus;

Do you know if Tulane offers post grad as well?
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Sailorskt
Joined: 17 Sep 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law
Fri Sep 18, 2009 08:10 PM
Hey al i m saurav frm india. Pls guide me options i have with chances of scholarship. I m from maritime industry . A sailing 2nd officer wth licence frm govt of india. Plus graduation degree in nautical science from IGNOU
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Halikaa
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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LLM in Maritime Law
Tue Sep 29, 2009 02:28 AM
Maximus;

Do you know if Tulane offers post grad as well?


Yes, Tulane offers a doctoral level program in addition to the LLM.

I would second Maximus' thoughts on Tulane, and I would add that New Orleans is a great city for school. Tulane's campus is really a city within the city. Regardless, it's a great place to be.
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Halikaa
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 02:37 AM
Thanks Pucca, Any idea about the placement opportunity and pay scale ( An average)


I'm not PUCCA, but I can give you a very broad picture of US payscales. On the low end, maritime attorneys are starting around $85,000; on the other end, attorneys will start at $165,000. I'm not including any bonuses within those numbers, nor am I adjusting for additional experience. The truth of the matter is that it truly, truly, truly depends on where you work, your CV, the firm for which you work, and a host of intangibles. In any event, those are generally concrete numbers. On the lower end, you are seeing a smaller firm in a smaller city, while the other side would be a massive firm in a national market. If you want to get a better idea, look at the cities that would require your skills and inquire about firm salaries there. As with everything, there are the exceptions to these generalizations. I am not a career services person. I'm lawyer and a student with a lot of friends in diverse practice areas across the nation.

I cannot speak intelligently on salaries abroad. I do, however, hope this helps you.

[Edited by Halikaa on 30 Sep 2009]

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bazzy

Joined: 12 Dec 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law: How is Uniersty of Cape Town?
Sun Dec 13, 2009 04:19 AM
Hi Guys!
I am a practicing lawyer in India, now I want to pursue a LL.M in maritime law, could anyone tell me how is University of Cape Town, South Africa? I mean I know maritme law in UK would be better but I think University of Oslo is also a good option, but I also wanted to know about this Cape Town University, anyone knows whether it is any good...I mean for getting jobs and all? I am really anticipating that some of you guys might be able to help me!
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mandavi
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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LLM in Maritime Law: How is Uniersty of Cape Town?
Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:17 AM
hi .. i intend to pursue LLM in Maritime law and i m extrmely confused about d choice to make between Southampton, UCL, Brisol.
if one had to rank these colleges could anyone please help me out with that. Anyone who has an idea about d reputation n recognition of NUS for its maritime law ?? i would be really grateful id sumone could help me with tht !
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bazzy

Joined: 12 Dec 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law: How is Uniersty of Cape Town?
Wed Oct 27, 2010 06:39 PM
Hi Mandavi!

If you can get into UCL that's great! But otherwise try for Southampton or Swansea both are really good! One thing I have heard specially about maritime Law courses is that there are two types of colleges: First where the teaching staff is full time a considerable number of students study and have a good support staff (Southampton and Swansea belongs to this category). The other is a very small staff some visiting lecturers and a meagre library, not a proper place to learn the discipline but get a vocational course at the most (UCL is one of them) but this what i have heard! as far as NUS is concerned if you can manage it i would advise don't think twice about anything else and go there! Remember, the world economy is moving towards Asia and companies would definitely prefer students graduated from a South East Asian Country! also the job market is better in South East Asia than Europe any day! But time is not on your side I am afraid the Application for NUS closes 1st December and they really insist on 1st Class percentage.Also Why don't you try for IMLI, Malta or University of Oslo? if you can manage in any one of them, nothing like it. Incidentally i have Applied to Southampton and Swansea for 2011-2012 and i am keeping my fingers tightly crossed! Hope the info helps! All the Best!
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mandavi
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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LLM in Maritime Law: How is Uniersty of Cape Town?
Fri Oct 29, 2010 06:03 AM
hey bazzy thanks a ton for tht info...
well i was lookin at Oslo bt haven applied yet only cs its d EU n job opportunities thr r very very limited..
for me my main criteria is to look at d job market aftr dis course. if u ve any info on tht i would b highly grateful. well for NUS i do ve a first class n d 1st dec shud nt really b a difficult target to meet cs Oslo also closes on d 1st Dec but m only apprehensive about d job opportunities tht one has aftr doin d course. if u have any clue bout tht plslet me no...
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bazzy

Joined: 12 Dec 2009
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LLM in Maritime Law: How is Uniersty of Cape Town?
Fri Oct 29, 2010 08:03 AM
Hi Mandavi,

You see the job opportunities is the only thing I am still not clear about, though people are saying that the job opportunity is good in this branch of law, what being about the only industry which has not been affected overmuch by the recession and everything, but I guess that's the part of the risk we all need to take, but it seems NUS would surely have better opportunity. By the way are youa student or are you practicing?
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kosta
Joined: 14 Nov 2007
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LLM in Maritime Law: How is Uniersty of Cape Town?
Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:20 PM
My friend bazzy (galoston) and the others

I completed my LLM studies at Swansea a few years ago. When I was there, I was plasantly suprised of the high quality of teaching but what suprised me most is the reputation the degree and Swansea enjoy outside Swansea. The Shipping and Trade Law and Swansea are well-known and regarded in Greece, Australia, India, China, Singapore and even the States. After completing my degree it opened the doors for me to have a job in a Law Firm specialising in shipping in Greece. from thereonwards, I got a job in an international law firm based in Melborne. I am now moving to Singapore to a better job. The teaching is not only perfect at Swansea but is also practice oriented. Once I got a job in a shipping firm I noticed how much practical knowledge our l;ecturers passed on to us. I also heard that the School has done very well in the most recent Resaerch Exercise- 95 % of its research has been graded as achieving international standards. That was not of course a suprise to me as I witnessed first hand how good it was. In short, if you looking for a career in maritime law in a respectable institution my advice is consider going to Swansea. It was the right choice for me!

Kosta
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