http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304 en New UK Law rankings!!! - LLM GUIDE Discussion Board Mon, 04 May 2009 07:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70304 http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/single.htm?ipg=8727 Great to see UCL up there and Durham hanging in there!!! ;) Mon, 04 May 2009 08:35:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70305 UCL before Oxbridge and LSE? and Glasgow, Nottingham, Durham before KCL??? Mon, 04 May 2009 11:09:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70314 I guess the changings have been more to break monotony than any thing else. It would have been a diiferent thing if the changes were in consonance with the Research Exercise Ratings. But that movements represent no pattern at all shows that the changes are more for the sake of it. Mon, 04 May 2009 12:03:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70316 UCL does have a fantastic law school, whether it is the very best is open to debate. Surprised to see Kings so far down the list. Can anyone explain in simple terms how they assess these things? Are they really reliable/relevant? Mon, 04 May 2009 12:09:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70318 I prefer the Times and Guardian rankings...they are more consistent and KCL should be in the top 4. Mon, 04 May 2009 12:19:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70320 The problem with these sorts of rankings - especially for prospective LLMs - is that they include all sorts of irrelevant data like "entry prospects" and "student satisfaction". I personally think its more helpful just to zero in on the category which is most important to oneself. For me personally, I just choose universities based on two criteria, namely (i) the quality of publications by the faculty in my area of interest and (ii) do the faculty members in question actually teach the LLM class. Mon, 04 May 2009 13:10:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70323 I think that the most important is the area U wanna specialize in and this statement is true for all the universities all over the world. Each uni has got its own area of excellence. So, the question is rather about the LLM focus than the uni itself. Tue, 05 May 2009 05:54:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70388 Specialisation is definitely the key for anyone planning to practice law after their LLM - otherwise any LLM offers little benefit (just ask the recruiters). The rankings are crap, and are really only helpful for students obsessed with status, and UG's choosing their first university. The rankings for the LLM are simple: go to Oxbridge or the top four UoL law schools. Tue, 05 May 2009 09:08:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70401 Specialisation is definitely the key for anyone planning to practice law after their LLM - otherwise any LLM offers little benefit (just ask the recruiters). The rankings are crap, and are really only helpful for students obsessed with status, and UG's choosing their first university. The rankings for the LLM are simple: go to Oxbridge or the top four UoL law schools. totally agree with U. It U are looking for reputation go to oxbridge. If U wanna specialise try to have a look to other opportunities! Tue, 05 May 2009 20:08:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#70446 I think this new ranking makes more sense...! Because....most universities were surviving on their old reputation and prestige. However, the Universities which have recently come up have actually made many neccessary changes for improving to that level. Just because a particular University is on the top for decades does not rule out the possibility that UCL cannot be graded above it. Probably Oxford and Cambridge are really good but probably UCL has had better things in the last 2-3 years. Similarly in the case of Glasgow. Glasgow has had loads of important in the last few years. And the quality of students that graduated from there has been really impressive. Likewise, Manchester has been dropped right down to 22....I had been arguing since the last one month that Manchester is over-ranked....it should be ranked much below...It has only been surviving on its old reputation. And finally i see that Guardian really considered the true value of Manchester. however, having said the above, I won't argue that these are appropriate for an LLM course. But that does not mean that these rankings are wrong. They are right for LLB students....and an good guide for LLM students. Mon, 25 May 2009 23:55:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71488 I know most people don't like rankings and I'm also aware that they aren't to be taken as an irrefutable truth, but did you see the new Guardian ranking (for 2010)? http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2009/may/12/university-guide-law Tue, 26 May 2009 08:39:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71507 Well the new ranking seem reasonable enough but I would put KCL ahead of Edinburgh and on par with UCL. Tue, 26 May 2009 11:41:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71514 Aberdeen 19th.......with Lancaster university before...let me laugh pleazzzzzzzz This ranking is bullshit! Tue, 26 May 2009 19:57:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71536 I agree with jackoune on this one. Aberdeen deserves to be much higher up in the ranking. But rankings aside, it's obviou no one would turn down Oxbridge for UCL... or Aberdeen for Lancaster... at least not when entering the LLM... Tue, 26 May 2009 21:56:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71538 Edinburgh should be lower than KCL and LSE Tue, 26 May 2009 22:03:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71539 Rankings can tell whatever they want, I agree with baicon, nobody agrees about the oxbridge and london supremacy. Then, it really depends on the ranking. I mean for instance how is it possible to see Aberdeen ranked second in a 2008 ranking and then 19th...what happened in a year...isn't it ridiculous... I think that again, U should focus on Ur concentration. Each uni has got its strong argument, no matter what x or y can say about it! Tue, 26 May 2009 22:04:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71540 sorry wanted to say that everybody agreed on the supremacy, sorry about that Wed, 27 May 2009 18:31:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71574 hi all!!! I got into Warwick for Int Corporate Governance and Financial Regulations. I intend to go on a loan. its a huge amount that i'll be borrowing. I want to know how good is the course, about the Univ, about the faculty and the job prospects? I am way too confused mainly cuz of the recession. I also want to know whether its feasible to work part time? kindly advice. Regards Aparna Thu, 28 May 2009 06:00:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71606 Look, I think UCL is fantastic, and I don't know what the ".00" means under "Student Satisfaction" for UCL and Oxford, but unless it means it's a perfect score (Can someone answer this for me, please?), how can UCL be ranked first overall when it doesn't have the top score in any of the individual categories? I suppose, mathematically, the average of its scores still can be the highest, but when we're already engaged in such a subjective process as ranking law departments, shouldn't you at least be able to say that within your survey, UCL is the best in a given category? Thu, 28 May 2009 08:52:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71610 Look, I think UCL is fantastic, and I don't know what the ".00" means under "Student Satisfaction" for UCL and Oxford, but unless it means it's a perfect score (Can someone answer this for me, please?), how can UCL be ranked first overall when it doesn't have the top score in any of the individual categories? I suppose, mathematically, the average of its scores still can be the highest, but when we're already engaged in such a subjective process as ranking law departments, shouldn't you at least be able to say that within your survey, UCL is the best in a given category? I think that 0.0 means that they refused to answer the questions. Thu, 28 May 2009 09:14:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71613 By the way, I think that the most relevant category in this ranking is the one about job prospects. I think that the rankings would be quite different! Thu, 28 May 2009 11:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71618 for job propects I think it's mostly Oxbridge and LSE/KCL/UCL. Thu, 28 May 2009 12:41:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71620 The results of the student survey are heavily weighted, particularly in the Times table, unless result not entered. Kings tends to do very well out of the SS, hence very high rankings in the table last year. Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:43:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71949 Just to keep the never-ending (and some times really funny) rank discussion updated, the times released a new ranking for 2010... http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Law&sub=38&x=19&y=7 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:48:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71954 The is the most sensible ranking I have seen...! Very very appropriate...! the Closest to the actual LLM rankings Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:28:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71956 Nottingham better thatn KCL?? Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71957 welll...if you consider it in accordance with the facility provided by the University then yes..>Nottingham is better than KCL. Unfortunately....I have not heard the Ranking system taking into consideration the Location of the University...! KCL is in the city of London....the main hub/network...! Whereas Nottingham city is comparitively not that great....So in reality i would still prefer KCL over Nottingham.... But a student who does not care about the location, does not care about where he going to find the job, does not care about the life style he is goig to live, does not care about the kind of social contacts he wants to build or has any specific needs with respect to the above then he may choose Nottingham..>! Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:50:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71958 I do think you can ever choose Nottingham over KCL.If you are shooting for prestige, if you are looking to specialize you pick between KCL/UCL/LSE depending on specialization. Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:10:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71980 I'm not a fan of rankings, but what is interesting with the ranking is how some previous big hitters have sunk so low. E.g. Manchester is down to 17 with the Guardian, and with The Times (the more recognised rankings) down to 27. I suppose this say two things: that universities shouldn't simply rest on their reputations, and there is no guarantee that anyone stays near the top (exc. Oxbridge). (Of course, we have to remember these rankings reflect undergraduate satisfaction.) Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:44:00 +0200 http://www.llm-guide.com/board/70304/last#71996 Legal India be real come on. KCL is better Nottingham regardless location or whatever you want...