LLM GUIDE - Master of Laws (LL.M.) Programs Worldwide

LLM Discussion Board

LL.M. Discussion Board > USA > LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours = "Above Average" RSS Feed

LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours = "Above Average"

Author Message
laweful

Joined: 09 Jul 2009
Posts: 3
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours = "Above Average"
Mon Jul 13, 2009 09:27 PM
I am planning to apply to LLM programs this year, had my transcripts sent to LSAC so they could produce their report, they stated that my 2.1 Honours degree (from UCL at the University of London) was "Above Average".

I want to know what you guys think about these "conversions"; is a 2.1 generally converted to a blanket "Above Average"? What is your particular experience with this? Do they take into account that getting a 2.1 from certain is more difficult in certain schools than others? etc. etc. What do you guys think about these academic "conversions"???

[Edited by laweful on 13 Jul 2009]

Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote
Hedek


Joined: 18 Mar 2009
Posts: 152
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours =
Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:10 PM
UCL and the English educational system in general are well known by US law schools. They'll probably know exactly what your grades are worth and where you stand compared to other candidates, LSAC conversion or not.

You shouldn't worry too much about what LSAC has to say about it.

Of course for other countries and/or universities for which admission committees must rely on the LSAC conversion, the tendency of the latter to not properly take into account the fact foreign universities often have harsher curves than in the US can be truly problematic.
I mean B- can be an excellent GPA if that's what the first obtained out of 500 graduates that year.

[Edited by Hedek on 13 Jul 2009]

Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote
Hanna.Vienna

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 55
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours =
Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:25 AM
Personally, I can't recommend LSAC. The staff seemed to be extremely incompetent and they don’t really know foreign education systems and grades. Generally, it is cheaper not to use LSAC. Finally, the whole LSAC process was very time consuming and it took them quite a while to handle my documents. I wouldn’t waist my money once again for this "service".
Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote
laweful

Joined: 09 Jul 2009
Posts: 3
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours =
Tue Jul 14, 2009 05:41 PM
Thanks Hedek and Hanna for your comments.

Hanna, the problem is that many LLM program require that you go through LSAC for the foreign creditials report. I personally find their conversion "scale" extremely simplistic; the grade conversion seems to be innacurate, there seems to be no scaling relating to quality of institution or or type of degree pursued (e.g. honours degree vs. non-honours degree).
Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote
Hanna.Vienna

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 55
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours =
Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:14 AM
I know… For instance, NYU requires LSAC which was the reason why I used this service. However, some of my friends successfully received an LSAC waiver from NYU or just applied without using LSAC.

As you said the scale is too standardized and does not reflect the national grading system mand their evaluation is a joke.
Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote
eli_maka

Joined: 20 May 2009
Posts: 4
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours =
Wed Jul 15, 2009 01:28 PM
Hi, I just got my academic report from LSAC also and they rated my 2.1 as "above average" as well. They clearly make no distinction between a very low, high or in between 2.1 which seems a bit unfair. Although the report did include my average overall mark and the fact that a 2.1 for my course was between x and y which I guess is indicative.
Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote
snowball

Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Posts: 6
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours =
Wed Jul 15, 2009 08:17 PM
Hi i also got my transcript authenticated from by lsac and got an 'above average' rating.However, I got a low 2:1 average which is rather annoying because my school (LSE) graded us based on the marks of the best 4 modules.Based on the results of 4 modules I actually have a high 2:1.Do you think its worth pointing that out somewhere in my applications>?

Thanks
Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote
GlasgowLaw

Joined: 05 Sep 2008
Posts: 90
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours =
Wed Oct 07, 2009 02:31 PM
Hey guys,

I also have a 2:1,and have submitted my transcripts to LSAC....still waiting for evaluation....it will probably be "above average" too....

Has anyone found this to be a problem..im applying to Columbia/NYU/Cornell...and wonder whether I should send original transcripts to the schools instead of using LSAC??
Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote
spikesf

Joined: 18 Aug 2009
Posts: 21
LSAC Score Conversion: 2.1. Honours =
Wed Oct 07, 2009 03:03 PM
NYU is the only university that requires LSAC for their application. I will do my best and try to apply without LSAC (as some of my friends also had some bad experience with LSAC).

Plus, it is cheaper...

Show ProfileProfile P.M. Quote

Reply to this post

Related Programs