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Bigua
Joined: 19 Mar 2009
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:47 PM
Thank you all

[Edited by Bigua on 10 Dec 2009]

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Augusto
Joined: 06 Aug 2009
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 04:48 PM
I have sent you a P.M.

I believe it wouldn't bepossible to cancel you LSAC account and send your transcripts directly to the law schools.

Anyway, check the P.M. and then we calk talk more about it.

Rds.,

Augusto
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Bigua
Joined: 19 Mar 2009
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 05:24 PM

[Edited by Bigua on 10 Feb 2010]

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Hanna.Vienna
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 05:37 PM
As I have written before, I can not recommend LSAC due to the fact that they don't have any clue about foreign legal education systems and their grading scales. Therefore, the LSAC evaluation does - generally - not reflect your grades compared to other students from your home country. I don't think that LSAC would change your evaluation. However, I guess that the universities have staff members that know how to evaluate your application. Finally, don't forget: your CV (resume) is part of your application as well as the statement(s).

Btw: I was also graded by LSAC as above average, but I was still accepted by the universities I applied to.
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Bigua
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 06:08 PM

[Edited by Bigua on 10 Feb 2010]

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Hanna.Vienna
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 06:34 PM
My advice for future applicants: don't use LSAC in order to avoid those problems. I know so many applicants that were really unsatisfied with LSAC (including myself). However, if you have already sent your transcripts to LSAC: think positive. As I said: even if you received a bad (average) evaluation from LSAC, you can still get accepted to top law schools (Columbia, NYU...). Try to get a ranking from your university to show that you are far better than average or ask your recommenders to insert your ranking position in their letters of recommendation.
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Augusto
Joined: 06 Aug 2009
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 06:41 PM
Which are the possible evaluations regarding the LLM LSAC analysis?

Only below average, average and above average?
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Bigua
Joined: 19 Mar 2009
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 08:50 PM

[Edited by Bigua on 10 Feb 2010]

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VERT
Joined: 03 May 2009
Posts: 123
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 08:34 AM
Hello,

I have sent my transcripts to LSAC and I am happy with their services, availability and timely support.

In what concerns your specific problem, I think the only thing you can do is to ask for a reevaluation if you disagree with their analysis and have elements that can make them give you a different rating.

Ragards
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zala2208
Joined: 12 Apr 2009
Posts: 3
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 09:32 PM
The problem is that some schools like NYU require the LSAC service so I don't see what one could do to avoid a possibly unfair evaluation..
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Hanna.Vienna
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:12 PM
That's the reason why I used this service. However, afterwards I have heard that many applicants just applied to NYU without using LSAY or sucessfully asked for a waiver.

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j.france
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
Posts: 14
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:02 AM
Hello to all,

I have the same problem, I just got an "above average" evaluation which I think is unfair, and I was wondering if any of you knew if it is possible to be accepted to Harvard or Columbia with that evaluation or if you think they only take "superior" students or students who send them directly their transcripts?

Thank you so much, I haven't given my LSAC number to Universities yet and I am wondering whether I should sent my transcripts directly instead of using LSAC, at least for top Universities.
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dbk
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:40 AM
I was "above average" too with these credentials (i guess non-French students won't understand, but still):

- top 20% (according to the Dean) for my first law degree at the Université de Versailles, which is a good University

- 13.8/20 at the Université de Paris I Panthéon-Sorbonne (best French law school, or 2nd best) of a Master I of Corporate Law. I had an official documentation from Paris I stating that "few students receive a GPA higher than 13/20". So i must be among top 10% or top 15%.

- Master II of Corporate and Tax Law at the Université de Paris I Panthéon-Sorbonne (degree in progress), which is the best (or the 2nd best) Master degree of Corporate/Tax Law in France.

- HEC School of Management (expected graduation, 2010): ranked 1st Business school in Europe 4 years in a row by the Financial Times. I had good grades there.

Plus, I completed my business studies and legal studies at the same time. So it was not easy at all to have those grades.

Anyway, I applied to HLS/CLS/NYU etc., and I used the LSAC. The latter certified that they would send all official documentation from my universities (stating that I was among the top 20% of my class, or that only few students receive these grades, etc.) to the law schools.

I guess that if they know the French system, my grades and my universities will be convincing enough. If they don't, not using the LSAC would not have changed anything.
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j.france
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:33 PM
Thank you, I just sent you a PM, I am in the same situation as you are.

Does anyone else knows whether Harvard and Columbia really look at the evaluation done by LSAC or whether they will still look at my personal statement and recommendation letters even with an "above average" evaluation?

Thank you so much!

Hey everyone I wanted to tell you all an information I just got from LSAC :
I just found out that the evaluation made by LSAC is not a general evaluation of all of one's degrees : the evaluation that appears on the first page only refers to the first degree in law.
Being so restrictive, I guess the Universities do look at all the transcripts or at least at all the evaluations and not only at the first page of LSAC's evaluation.

Good luck to you all!

[Edited by j.france on 24 Nov 2009]

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lawcocacola
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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Tue Dec 01, 2009 07:22 PM
I got a friend graduated from Harvard with an LSAC report stating as "average".

So don't worry at all.
By the way above average is the second highest thing in their report.

Superior, Above Average, Average and Below Average...
So I guess getting above average is not a problem. And they will definitely look at the rest of your application.

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llmnyc2009
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Posts: 26
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 04:02 PM
Hi all,

I wouldn't worry about the LSAC interpretation. As far as I am aware, LSAC sends a copy of your transcripts to the schools alongwith the report they compile.

Most schools I imagine will look at the transcripts.
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chasm
Joined: 30 Nov 2009
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 04:44 PM
Hey everyone, I agree with the last 2 posts. I think the admissions office has been doing this long enough to know that they have to look beyond the LSAC grading to coreectly evaluate an applicant. Also, your application including your recommendations etc will reflect that your academic record has been 'above average'. So fret too much!
Having said this, I didn't use the service and every school gives you the option of waiving the LSAC service. It isn't mandatory for any of them.
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aleenaalavi
Joined: 05 Feb 2009
Posts: 29
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 03:41 PM
i have applied for the lsac service.. i did my llb from university of london external system and i requested them to send my transcripts to lsac .. the pro is that univ of london is still in the process of sending my transcripts to lsac and the deadline for the submission of these transcripts are 1st feb 2010..so does anyone know that how much time does the lsac take to process ur transcripts cuz at most now the lsac would get my transcripts in january.. and will the universities not consider ur applications at all if ur transcripts are not available but everything else is .. dont they give conditional acceptance or somethin like that ??
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titire
Joined: 12 Oct 2011
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Thu Oct 13, 2011 02:28 PM

[Edited by titire on 19 Mar 2012]

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sappy
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 04:44 PM
As I have written before, I can not recommend LSAC due to the fact that they don't have any clue about foreign legal education systems and their grading scales. Therefore, the LSAC evaluation does - generally - not reflect your grades compared to other students from your home country. I don't think that LSAC would change your evaluation. However, I guess that the universities have staff members that know how to evaluate your application. Finally, don't forget: your CV (resume) is part of your application as well as the statement(s).

Btw: I was also graded by LSAC as above average, but I was still accepted by the universities I applied to.


I am candidate for India... I am applying to LLM progarmme of top 10 universities in U.S. In all the Universities except yale has waived my LSAC requirement. But Yale has not waive this requirement. For applying to Yale I have registered for LSAC and I have paid fee for Transcript Evaluation and Documentation service and report for yale which is around 216 $. Any how I am stuck with paying LSAC fee only for yale. My grades are below average, do you think I should apply for other law schools using LSAC or I should prefer to send it by post to individual law schools.
eagerly awaiting for your response..
regards,
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sappy
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 04:48 PM
I want send my application to other law schools asap.. So someone please respond asap..
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llmdream
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:19 AM
Sappy, I think for Yale you need to use LSAC and there is no way around it!
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sappy
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:54 PM
Sappy, I think for Yale you need to use LSAC and there is no way around it!

Hi LLM Guide
I have send my queries to Yale. They will not waive my LSAC requirement and I have registered for LSAC only for applying to Yale. What about other law schools like Columbia, UPenn, Michigan should I apply through LSAC for these law schools? My grades are low and I have two years of work ex as Law Clerk at Indian Supreme Court. If I use LSAC I will be below average (I am not in to 20-30 in my class) So I wont like my grades to go further down and affect my C.V.
So any suggestions to use LSAC or not, Or if I use LSAC will it affect chances for my admission.

[Edited by sappy on 15 Oct 2011]

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Butterflies
Joined: 07 Oct 2011
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 04:37 AM
Sappy, how do you know what evaluation LSAC has given you? They've received my transcript but I haven't got a mail from them telling me how they're ranking me.
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sappy
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 04:45 PM
My mistake.. they have evaluated me after few days after recieving my transcript. The evaluation took few days after they recieved my transcript. So dont worry yours will be done soon. There are four catagories Superior, Above average, average and below average. If you are not satisfied with your grading you can send it for re-evaluation. That's goin to cost you....depends on you entirely.

cheers
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