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1986
Joined: 17 Sep 2009
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UCL / KINGS - how strict are they with the language requirement ?
Tue Jan 19, 2010 07:25 AM
Hi everyone,

I hold a conditional offer both from KINGS and UCL.
At UCL the offer is subject to the condition of 109 iBT(TOEFL).
At KINGS the offer is subject to the condition of 100 iBT (TOEFL).

Last saturday I took the iBT TOEFL and had a very bad feeling.
If I don't achieve the necessary score, there is the option of a pre-sessional course, in which one has to take an exam at the end.

I sounds very risky for me to go for the pre-sessional course and then mabe not be able to pass it -> I would be force to go home and couldn't start with a LLM.

Any ideas how strict these universities are with their english requirements? Does someone have an idea what percentage of students pass the pre-sessional tests?

Thanks for the help !

[Edited by 1986 on 19 Jan 2010]

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Marina_Estato
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Tue Jan 19, 2010 04:27 PM
Hi 1986,
could you tell me when did you apply for both unis and when did they send the offers?
Thanks a lot!
Marina
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1986
Joined: 17 Sep 2009
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Tue Jan 19, 2010 07:22 PM
Hi,

I applyied in october and received an answer in January.

Any idea concerning the english requirement issue?

[Edited by 1986 on 19 Jan 2010]

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Marina_Estato
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Tue Jan 19, 2010 08:30 PM
Sorry, I have no idea...
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froze'n
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 02:51 AM
hey 1986....
As far as i know, UCL and KCL are not so much flexible in their english language requirements....Like in your case, you have been asked to get 109/110 in your TOEFL, then you must score 105 or more.....other wise its highly likely that they will ask you to attend a presessional course. Keep your fingers cross'd, i hope you will achieve your target. Best of Luck.
take care.....
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tnuchpiam
Joined: 31 May 2009
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 07:45 AM
Both schools offer pre-sessional English courses, but UCL, in particular, is very strict about this as well. You must perform well enough in the pre-sessional course; there were cases of students from my country who packed up because they did not pass the pre-sessional tests with grades acceptable to them.

This is certainly not to discourage you, 1986, but rather to alert you to what lies ahead in case you did not obtain the required TOEFL results. KCL seems to be more flexible; I also learned of a student (again from my country) who went to talk with the people there directly (on some other conditions) -- and she was successful!

Let's hope for the best!
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1986
Joined: 17 Sep 2009
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Fri Jan 22, 2010 08:38 AM
Thanks!

I think the situation is clear:
No matter what score I will achieve, I will try to convince them to accept me.
If this doesn't work, I will have to go to a university that asks for less points in the TOEFL!

Seems to risky to go to london for the pre-sessional course and then mabe fail...
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dbk
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Fri Jan 22, 2010 08:58 AM
Thanks!

I think the situation is clear:
No matter what score I will achieve, I will try to convince them to accept me.
If this doesn't work, I will have to go to a university that asks for less points in the TOEFL!

Seems to risky to go to london for the pre-sessional course and then mabe fail...


If you work during 2 weeks, 1 hour per day, you can easily get 109 or more... Why don't you try that? It's worth it, if then you can go to UCL/KCL.
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1986
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Fri Jan 22, 2010 05:15 PM
hey,
thanks for the reply.

But isn't it a too high risk? I could have a bad day or whatever, and then byebye..back home :)

first let's see what I will achieve in the TOEFL. I should receive the results in some days...

thanks again!
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dbk
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:09 PM
hey,
thanks for the reply.

But isn't it a too high risk? I could have a bad day or whatever, and then byebye..back home :)

first let's see what I will achieve in the TOEFL. I should receive the results in some days...

thanks again!


If you have like 3 months, you can take 3 TOEFL tests... I know it's expensive, but it's worth it.

Anyway if you buy a Barron's book with CD's (or a Kaplan's one), practice a bit, you can easily achieve a 109 score.
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1986
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 01:12 PM
I actually did work for a while with the Barron's book with CD. Still I have the feeling that i did bad in the exam...

:(

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dbk
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 01:48 PM
I actually did work for a while with the Barron's book with CD. Still I have the feeling that i did bad in the exam...

:(



As you can take the test many times, that's fine.

Good luck!
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Villieboy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 09:11 PM
I confirm that both are seriously strict with the requirements.

I applied with the toefl ibt 98. In the case of KCL, I tried to negotiate but didn't work. I did the exam again, now it is cleared.

You could try the exam for 2-3 times more. It's part of the investment.
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1986
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 07:01 AM
Thanks for your help guys!

Do you know anyone who was able to get in, altough he did not achieve the necessary grade in the TOEFL/IELTS?

Any idea how to approach the negotiation with the appropriate university if I wouldn't achieve the necessary grades in the iBT TOEFL?
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1986
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 01:06 PM
hey guys,

I received 105 in the iBT TOEFL.
Reading: 25
Listening: 26
Speaking: 26
Writing:28

I hold a conditional offer. Do you think they might turn a blind eye?

If yes, how should I approach them?

Thanks
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Judy Law
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:26 PM


[Edited by Judy Law on 03 Feb 2010]

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MAB79
Joined: 27 Dec 2009
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 06:38 AM
hey,
thanks for the reply.

But isn't it a too high risk? I could have a bad day or whatever, and then byebye..back home :)

first let's see what I will achieve in the TOEFL. I should receive the results in some days...

thanks again!


First of all: You already convinced them. If not, you would not have received an offer!

Second, I scored only 98 the first time. This was not because my english language skills are not good enough, but rather because I have not taken the time to see how the four section work. This will take you for about 2 hours. But once you realize how the test works, it eill work well! In the speaking and the writing part, it does not even matter what you write, but how you speak or write. I studied 2 days before I retook the exam for about 2 hours and scored 110 points...I really would retake the toefl...it's worth it!
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Magiur
Joined: 03 Aug 2009
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:40 AM
@ MAB79

May I ask you what was your English language background before the test? Have you ever studied or lived in an English speaking country before?

I'm particulary worried about the test!!

Regards
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MAB79
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 03:21 PM
@ MAB79

May I ask you what was your English language background before the test? Have you ever studied or lived in an English speaking country before?

I'm particulary worried about the test!!


Sure. I am from Switzerland. We learn English as a third language in school (1st French and for me 2nd was Latin). After graduating from grammar school, I decided not to study, but to work as a flight attendant fpr the international swiss carrier. After one year, I started with law school. So, I've been to English speaking countries quite often, but never lived there for more than a few days or weeks.

Do not worry! Try to get the system and the good scores will come!

Regards

[Edited by Admin on 04 Mar 2010]

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Magiur
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 04:51 PM

Ohh, so we're even neighbours :-) I'm actually from Austria.

Thank you very much for the information! It very helps!! My situation is quite the same. I learned English as a third language in school, but never lived or studied in an English speaking country.

Many people said to me 'Don't worry, if you study the structure of the test, the result will be fine.' Nevertheless, there is still quite a concern that the score will be to low...

Regards
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legalalien
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 05:13 PM
Magiur - have you considered spending a few weeks in London during the university holidays (can't recall if you are still at university or not, sorry) to try and improve your English? For example, last summer we had an au pair who was a law student in Europe - she stayed with us for four weeks and her English definitely improved even in that short space of time.
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Magiur
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 09:59 PM

@ legalalian

I've just sent you a PM. Hope that is ok!
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beicon
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Wed Mar 03, 2010 01:29 PM
Just to let everybody know: my fiancée asked UCL and KCL for a partial waiver regarding IELTS score. KCL answered saying no and UCL answered requesting a short statement on the reasons to such waiver so that they can pass it on to the graduate tutor. She’ll send the statement today to UCL today. My fiancée has got an overall 7.0, with 7.0 in the listening, 7.5 in the reading, 6.5 in the writing and 6.5 in the speaking. KCL told her straight out that they can’t give any waiver regarding English language requirements.
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Wheretogo_
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Wed Mar 03, 2010 03:26 PM
Makes sense I would imagine.

They have strict requirements. And to allow people to go on the course without being sure they will succeed its not good for them. I am sure she is capable but it seems that when it comes to English requirements they are very harsh.
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kathg
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
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Wed Mar 03, 2010 03:40 PM
Hi guys, so did you manage to pass your Eng test/convince KCL?

I just got my conditional offer, it is rather strange for me coz although I am frm a non-english speaking background, I have a UK LLB and even called to the UK Bar. (but they still ask for Eng requirement). do you think it is possible to convince them?

On another note, did KCL actually mention the specialisation that you applied in your letter of offer? They dint..worry me abit. Am going to call them but down with a flu at the moment :(
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