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Sorcerer

Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 07:35 AM
Hi everyone,

I am trying to draw up a shortlist of unis that I should be looking at. So I am hoping everyone here can help me out by just stating listing the top five British universities / law schools (in order beginning with the highest).

Please also state which country are you from and comment on whether your ranking reflects the perception in your own country.

I think this will be generally helpful for most people.

I'll start.

1. Oxford
2. Cambridge
3. LSE
4. UCL
5. King's College London
I'm from Hong Kong, and I think this is quite an accurate reflection of their rank in Hong KOng.
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Kazaf

Joined: 06 Mar 2005
Posts: 75
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 06:09 AM
1. Oxford
2. Cambridge
3. Big 3 in London; seen as roughly equal (UCL, LSE, KCL)

I am from Malaysia, and I would say this reflects the opinion in Malaysia.
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sayaks


Joined: 13 Jul 2005
Posts: 34
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 03:37 AM
Hello.....

Have you guys heard of a certain University called University of Warwick or is Hong-kong and Malasyia that outdated???
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Kazaf

Joined: 06 Mar 2005
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 06:55 AM
Of course we have heard of Warwick. But the original post did ask for the 'top 5'. I would say Warwick, Durham, Nottingham and Bristol would come in Tier 3, below Oxbridge (Tier 1) and the Big 3 London colleges (Tier 2).
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James007

Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 20
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 08:37 PM
1. Cambridge
2. Oxford
3. Durham
4. UCL
5. LSE
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Angelo

Joined: 10 Dec 2005
Posts: 4
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 02:03 PM
- Cambridge
- Oxford
- LSE
- KC/ Imp Coll
- Edinburgh
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bardiva.
Joined: 01 Jan 2006
Posts: 10
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 04:24 PM
-UCL
-Cambridge
-Oxford
-LSE
-Durham
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isabiam
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 15
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 08:37 PM
1. UCL
2. Oxford
3. Cambridge
4. Imperial
5. LSE
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Nikolas


Joined: 09 Jan 2005
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 08:41 PM
Imperial does not offer an LLM, though...
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James Forster

Joined: 12 Nov 2005
Posts: 27
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 08:44 PM
1st tier: Oxbridge, UCL
2nd tier: KCL, LSE
3rd tier: Nottingham, Durham, Bristol
4th tier: Others
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David Beckham

Joined: 17 Nov 2005
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 08:47 PM
People, it will help our understanding of your evaluation if you let us know what informed your grading/rankings of the schools. Why for instance is UCL better than Oxbridge?
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Ronin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 40
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Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:05 AM
Hello there,

In France, the ranking should be something like :

1- Cambridge
2- Oxford
3- LSE
4- King's College London

Others are not very known, i.e. the four Universities listed below are the ones French will probably aim to get at first glance. I know this is unfair for top Universities such as UCL or Durham and may not reflect the current UK ranking.

Anyway, what is important for french recruiters is to have a LLM from a good University with a good and coherent content, i.e. they really look also the content of your LLM and do not focus only on the University. That is why even if French recruiters know especially the four Universities listed below, they are open to hire people from another Universities who made something interesting or rare.

It appears also that LLM from the US are especially, not to say a bit more, popular and some (but not all) recruiters told me they really prefer US LLM from top 15 lawschools.

I think the above should reflect the current trend in France. For information purpose, I have chosen to go to UCL just not to follow the trend....lol

Cheers,
Ronin
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Joseph1

Joined: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 125
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Sun Jan 15, 2006 03:16 PM
I think there is no doubt that Oxford's BCL is the most highly regarded by quite a distance. Similarly, the Cambridge LLM is clearly the next best regarded by quite a distance. After that, I would say that UCL edges out LSE for third. I couldn't comment beyond that point.
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Vincenzo

Joined: 16 May 2005
Posts: 66
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Tue Jan 17, 2006 05:24 PM
Hi everyone!

sorry guys but i regret to disagree with almost all of u!
i seriously think that the supposed "big london" cannot be considered a 2nd choice after oxbridge! indeed i'd select them as a 3rd choice after universities such as Durham, Manchester and Nottingham. a serious and not superficial analysis wouldnt bring to a different result and this is also confirmed by rankings from the last 2 years.
i guess london universities still enjoy huge reputation, but practically speaking there are better and more convenient alternatives.
ciao for now

Vincenzo
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therealylook

Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Posts: 5
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Tue Jan 17, 2006 07:13 PM
As far as UK schools go, I'm only interested in SOAS. Where do they fall on this list? Also, is it a relatively easy school to get into?

(I'm a Canadian law grad)

[Edited 17 Jan 2006 by therealylook]
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norwegian

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 15
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Wed Jan 18, 2006 02:19 PM
1. Cambridge
2. Oxford
3. Durham
4. Kings
5. LSE

QM for IP
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James007

Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 20
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Wed Jan 18, 2006 03:48 PM
Dear Vincenzo,

I think you have misread the question. The author is asking which institutions are the 'most highly regarded internationally', not which institutions do you think are the best in the UK. I for one would not have formulated the same table if it was the latter question.
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Vincenzo

Joined: 16 May 2005
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:56 PM
i think you're right James, but then when it comes to "international reputation" why not just taking into account the Times and Guardian rankings, instead of being mislead by trend and fashion?? From my perspective and experience, i can tell you that in Italy for exemple people will always choose london as it's "fancy", regardless of rankings, reputation and convenience.
said that i have to admit that there's a point of bias in my words as i'm doing my llm in manchester; it was one of the eight univs i applied for, none of them was based in london though.

ciao for now
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capa


Joined: 10 Oct 2005
Posts: 164
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 05:30 AM
Ciao Vin,

I have to disagree. In Australia, the reputation and prestige is in London. This is ofcourse behind Oxford and Cambridge.

Accordingly, Warwick is unheard of among many and thus does not carry the same panache. The uni's you metion are considered behind London.

The city itself has much to do with it as London is full of international firms and thus most firms view a london degree favourably. I think the experience of living and potentially working in london is a huge factor.

Manchester is the largest uni in the UK and has solid committment toi being a top 25 world uni. I am actually quite impressed by manchester and regret that I will not apply as they are very commercial orientated.

[Edited 23 Jan 2006 by capa]
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bardiva.
Joined: 01 Jan 2006
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:50 AM

Accordingly, Warwick is unheard of among many and thus does not carry the same panache.

... hmmm, sayaks from Warwick Law School will hit back at your classification of Warwick.
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astroturf


Joined: 13 Dec 2005
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:32 PM
popular perception in India would perhaps rank oxford at th top followed closely by cambridge..LSE would most likely occupy th third place..thez ranking perceptions are more or less shared by majority here..
however as far ranks fourth n fifth are concerned there could a wide mixture of views..for instance those who want to specialise in Interdisciplinary or developmental studies would anyday prefer Warwick or SOAS (as 4th and 5th),,then ther are others who think that there's no point studying in UK if you dont study in london!! and accordingly UCL & King's would occupy 4th and 5th slots..
in my friends circle UCL & Warwick both have great reputation for their respective fields..
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pappu
Joined: 28 Jul 2005
Posts: 24
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 03:13 PM
Hi friends,
Where is all this leading us to? A reasonable person who wants to know the standings of any entity be it a university or anything else for that matter will look up the relevant standard appraising body for that particular filed. Perceptions are one thing and reality can be pretty different. Granted that elite institutions have thir own aura perhaps there may not be much to differentiate between nth ranked and n+1 th ranked institute and what may matter more is the qualities of the individual -- not that I am saying anything profound or remotely near it but what exactly are we trying to arrive at in this thread.
Not meant to tread on any ones feelings please.
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C.Miller


Joined: 02 Feb 2005
Posts: 278
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 03:39 PM

I am trying to draw up a shortlist of unis that I should be looking at.


What is your career goal? What subjects do you wish to study to take reach it? Where do you want to work in the world? I presume you want to study in the UK rather than via distanc learning?

Some higher education institutions have supreme law faculties or schools, but only specialise in particular subject areas; other HEIs will have very good relationships with certain countries, and the graduates always do very well there, but not so in others.

Your goal should be to first consider your career ambitions then limit your choice of institutions based on that selection, rather than the other way round.
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gava

Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 7
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Tue Jan 24, 2006 09:04 AM
Hi,
my take on your querry basing on most perceptions around African countries that i have visited is as follows;
1Cambridge
2.Oxford
3.LSE
4.UCL
5.Manchester
Others like warwick,Durham,Birmingham ,SOAS and Bristol round up the other slots.
This inforamtion however becomes relevant only after you have identified your LLM because not all these universities have similar programmes.
As for pappu or whatever his signature is,perceptions will count when a scholar finally returns to their country because employers out here also thrive on perception.
Greetings from Uganda
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capa


Joined: 10 Oct 2005
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Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:07 AM

Accordingly, Warwick is unheard of among many and thus does not carry the same panache.

... hmmm, sayaks from Warwick Law School will hit back at your classification of Warwick.


He or she can hit back as much as they like. I'm only stating a fact. I never heard of Warwick before my LLM search nor have any of my friends. It may be very good but it lacks prestige.

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