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capa


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Mon Jan 30, 2006 02:28 AM
I think the majority of people have agreed that the best schools in the UK are Oxford and Cambridge. Then, a mixture of the prestigious schools in UK - notably, the ancient and red brick uni's and London colleges.

It goes without saying that the glass plate and newly developed universities have the worst reputation.

Oh and Sayaks - we Aussies dont drink fosters, we just export the stuff. Ironically, i'd prefer a heineken on the beach mate!. Also, I had a look and The Times ranks Warwick at number 14 in law the Guardian number 12 - what rankings were you talking about, i'd like to see them. Although, this is interesting: www.timesonline.co.uk/displayPopup/0,,69987,00.htm…

It just says Warwick is ranked 3rd behind Oxbridge and equal to LSE.

[Edited 30 Jan 2006 by capa]
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James Forster

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Mon Jan 30, 2006 08:52 AM
hmmm...not again. This topic is becoming boring
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Mercury

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Mon Jan 30, 2006 09:15 AM
James and Sayaks,

Thanks so much for the input....is that really the case though, cause i know of scores of Indian students with LLMs in UK and subsequent jobs as well. In any event, as you said, a lot depends on the university one studies in.

I already mentioned I was interested in Corporate and commercial LLM. In the top 5 that were listed (I can hear the "not agains"!!), can I please know which ones cater to this specific course. I'm coming from the fact that universities and institutions are better known for only selected courses. There may be other schools, not specifically discussed as the top 5, which also offer great corporate and commercial courses.
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capa


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Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:28 AM
Correction - keep reading. ;)

[Edited 02 Feb 2006 by capa]
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gava

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Tue Jan 31, 2006 08:27 AM
Well i wholly agree that kazarf did justice to the ongoing thread but allow me to add the following;i was under the assumption that all the members are in one way or the other connected to the legal proffesion which would make the aspects of perception,prestige and reputation rather common to all.This cleary isn't the case.
Why for example are firms like Baker & Mackenzie, Jonesday ,white and case,sullivan and cromwell,Allen &Overy and many more around the world considered better than others?The answer is simple,Over the years these firms have worked hard to give the best services to their clients which in turn has allowed the public to percieve them as the best hence reputaion.This analogy is reflective of the law schools as well.
Lastly and more importantly, not all of us stay or live in these cities so most of the information on this site is all we have to guide our decisions.To some of you out there some question may sound stupid but to most LLM candidates around the world its priceless info.So please this is a round table set aside for the learned,let our discussions reflect the same.
Am sure if all these universities were in Africa,questions about housing,perception and more wouldn't seem so stupid afterall coz then you would all be strangers.
Greetings from Uganda

[Edited 31 Jan 2006 by gava]
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sayaks


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Tue Jan 31, 2006 06:53 PM
Capa

Seeing the general mood prevailing in this thread at this point of time, I would not like to invoke widespread ire from all the other contributors, even though I would have been more than happy to cross swords with you regarding your last post.
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bardiva.
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Tue Jan 31, 2006 09:36 PM
Sayaks, good decision.
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wsusanw

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 09:34 AM
Looooorrrrrrrrddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!....U guys are great!!... loving the whole debate thing going on!!!!!!!:-)
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C.Miller


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Wed Feb 01, 2006 09:57 AM

I already mentioned I was interested in Corporate and commercial LLM. In the top 5 that were listed (I can hear the "not agains"!!), can I please know which ones cater to this specific course. I'm coming from the fact that universities and institutions are better known for only selected courses. There may be other schools, not specifically discussed as the top 5, which also offer great corporate and commercial courses.


This is the kind of development for this discussion that will find particularly helpful answers, even if only those who are interested in corporate or commercial law are the ones who will find it useful.

For different subjects, different universities are the recognised leaders and in some cases no matter how good or bad the general perception of a particular University is, the smallest detail, down to the course tutors, can greatly enhance or detract from the value of the degree in the eyes of some potential employers.
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bearpooh

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:15 AM
An Australian perspective:

Tier 1
Oxford
Cambridge

Tier 2
LSE

Tier 3
UCL
KCL

As for the others, Warwick, Durham, Manchester and the ilk have almost no mind share here. I would rather go to the US and do a LLM at Chicago than waste my time going to the UK to attend Warwick or Durham.
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wsusanw

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:18 AM
I think that's a bit harsh!!! They are good universities...and I dont think they're a waste of time!!They may not be the best, but certainly not a waste of time, and they are quite good here. Oh well...I guess it's your opinion.....
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capa


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Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:46 AM
An Australian perspective:

Tier 1
Oxford
Cambridge

Tier 2
LSE

Tier 3
UCL
KCL

As for the others, Warwick, Durham, Manchester and the ilk have almost no mind share here. I would rather go to the US and do a LLM at Chicago than waste my time going to the UK to attend Warwick or Durham.


I'd have to agree with that ... almost. Although, I think Durham and Manchester might be okay. Warwick is unknown here - better off at Birmingham, Bristol, Sheffield or Essex, or, (for Europe) Lund, Stockholm, Leiden etc. These schools have very good reps down under.

Certainly Edinburgh has a top notch rep - only behind Oxford, Cambridge, UCL and LSE (and maybe Kings). These schools have world class reps.

Sayaks - This is my opinion so get over it and move on.

The reputation of schools are vital knowledge for people who need to travel from, say, Australia to Europe (take a year off and who knows how much in tuition and living expenses after financial aid). This is a very important decision and i'm going to give my honest opinion and debate it so I myself am conviced I am applying to the best schools.

Dont forget, on every letter, on your business card, there will be this: LLM (*******).

[Edited 01 Feb 2006 by capa]
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bearpooh

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:28 AM
I think that's a bit harsh!!! They are good universities...and I dont think they're a waste of time!!


And if I doesnt help me in my career in Australia, why should I care ? I would not want to waste a year and an absolute fortune doing a LLM at Manchester or Warwick if I can go to Chicago instead. Heck, even a LLM from Sydney Uni would probably be of more use to me than a LLM from Warwick. Sydney Uni is highly regarded locally while Warwick is a virtual unknown.

My eventual goal is the BCL at Oxford, the LLM at Harvard or Yale or if I dont make the grade, the LLM at Cambridge or Chicago. At the moment, I am merely a wet behind the years, second year LLB in Australia, student who is about to start the BA (Jurisprudence ) at Oxford in a few months.

[Edited 01 Feb 2006 by bearpooh]
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wsusanw

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:14 PM
Fair enough, I see your point: In Australia Warwick, Durham etc are not recognised and as such you feel it would be a waste of your time. I just dont think it's universal. So lets conclude that an LLM at Warwick etc is useless in Australia.(bold and underlined) :-)
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sayaks


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Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:44 PM
Provocations galore....

Australia's size is the same as a big state in India.Who cares a fig about a uni's reputation in Australia?
Do something all you Aussies.Contact an American(a fairly knowledgeable one and not of your ilk) and ask him about Warwick and then see what he has to say.

And if you guys did not know,a uni is considered to have good reputation if it is higly regarded in USA.No one cares about Australia and the pereception of students out there.

The world is not restricted and influenced by "down south".

Eat and digest this.
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wsusanw

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:50 PM
Hee hee hee. lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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capa


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Wed Feb 01, 2006 01:21 PM
Australia's size is the same as a big state in India.


Yes, and where are the Indian universities ranked? Where do all the major asia-pacific firms have their head offices? An Australian firm is the largest firm in Asia!.

Our firms know international reputations.

Who cares a fig about a uni's reputation in Australia?


I do. I plan to come back here. Further, it also exemplifies the international reputation and glitz of certain universities.

I think Australia is underestimated. Look at The Times (THES) university rankings - um, any Indian universities?

Australia is also significantly globalised and its universities have links to many overseas institutions.

Further, I have had a chat with a visiting American professor who suggests the opposite of what you say.

Sayak, stop trying to elevate Warwick's reputation. It has no historical prestige, nor is it reflected well in the international rankings or league tables (given the emphasis in the US on rankings, use your imagination on what a US alwyer would say). Get over it. It may be a top notch course that produces the best lawyers in the universe but the fact remains it has no prestige - a top tier firm will not be drawn in by it.

Hope you guys are enjoying this ;)
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bardiva.
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Wed Feb 01, 2006 02:21 PM
...sayaks, u had it coming. told ya to let it roll. These provocating australians will taunt you until you re out of breath. give it up mate! they will lose interest if you dont respond. Besides, they re just giving an opinion, which isnt worth much to you! cho!
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wsusanw

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 02:42 PM


Hope you guys are enjoying this ;)

Oh yea!!!..This is crazy...everyone thinks the best of their uni..its ok!!!!....We shd all just look at the major rankings to place the LLM!(Apart from the Guardian one-says Bradford is in top ten for law...Bradford DOESN'T HAVE A LAW DEPT!!!) Funny. Everyone shd just chill out!
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Kazaf

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 03:55 PM
Lol - you guys are so funny! I actually had a good laugh reading through all this.
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sayaks


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Wed Feb 01, 2006 06:19 PM
1."Sayaks, Stop your ridiculous trolling for Warwick.. U R embarrassing yourself man..seriously."(Runkebulle)

2."Sayak, stop trying to elevate Warwick's reputation."(Capa)

I have never ever even remotely attempted to elevate Warwick's reputation beyond what it deserves.I have always tried to provide prospective LLM students with a broader perspective which is not restricted to TIER 1 unis (and I quote assorted individuals here).A good and prestigious institution does not need to be endorsed by specific individuals to retain its glory.

"It may be a top notch course that produces the best lawyers in the universe but the fact remains it has no prestige - a top tier firm will not be drawn in by it. "(Capa)

Capa these questions are specifically aimed at you.Have you ever come down to UK?Have you ever studied in a reputed insitution in UK?Have you interacted with the best law firms in UK(which in my humble opinion have a far more international presence than the Australian law firms in general)?

Kazaf might agree with me when I say that the best law firms in UK flock to the Warwick campus to recruits law students from here.
And if you ever do come down to UK never ever(and I repeat) never ever,venture to open your big Heineken guzzling mouth to suggest that Warwick lacks prestige lest others think that you generally shoot from your arse.

My comparsion of the size of an Indian state with the size of Australia was subjective but it seems to have tickled your nationalistic fervour to such an extent that you have not stopped from rambling about the ranking of Indian unis.Dude,neither my back is turned against reality nor do I shy away from accepting the truth(however might harsh it be).
If you ever intend to argue in a real court-room(which is vastly different from engaging in a virtual warfare) then please do stick to the facts of the case and points under consideration lest you are rebuked by the presiding judge.


"ps. Comparing a banana state to Australia tells us that you are running out of arguments.."

Runkebulle if I could, I would definitely have wanted to peek into your mind and see which fibres are missing.Your comment is so misconstrued that commenting on it would equate to humiliating myself.

Turning to Cafa, have you ever heard of something called The Russell Group?Why do I have to keep on reminding you to be thorough with your research( and that means turning your eyes away from the TIMES ranking,albeit a while) before hurrying to type a reply?

"Hope you guys are enjoying this ;) "(Capa)

I have always endeavoured to engage in structured debates abd arguments.But if providing means of enjoyment to the visitors of this site(which includes your fellow Aussies) is your aim and purpose then you very well are making a good job of it.



[Edited 01 Feb 2006 by sayaks]
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Kenny G

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 09:03 PM
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"The worst thing you can do, regardless of having bandaged, is walk out. You stay put. Moral of the story is, bandage and wait, someone's going to come for you sooner or later."
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Rich_Tomlinson

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Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:35 PM
LOL! God this thread is so funny! What started out as an astute debate has turned into right bitch fest! It seems that Sayak is taking on everybody; and by posting threads such as 'stuck in Warrick' himself also. But I am going to come to the assistance of our prickly Indian friend. He is right in saying that Warwick is a top institution in the UK. Anyone from the UK will tell you that. It boasts some of the best academics in the country such as Garry Watt and Graham Muffatt. In which case, cut the guy some slack!

I also think the tone of some of the posts has been rude and has warranted some of his belligerent responses. Is there really any need to wind our friend up so much? It can't be good for his health.

Rich xx
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capa


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Thu Feb 02, 2006 02:04 AM
Sayaks - time to get a grip.

Like I have said before, we're talking about INTERNATIONAL reputation.

I am not going to reply to any more of your ridiculous arguments - if indeed they can be called arguments. Your constant bickering lacks credibility and exemplifies your purspose is to simply elevate the reputation of the institution for your own self gratification.

Do not, I REPEAT, do not talk crap like this because some young law students might read these forums with interest and be persuaded by biased comments.

Oh, and keep taking my bate - as you say, you are the king of litigation (pfft yeah right!). Your skills are well apparent here.

Anyway, enough said. Warwick lacks INTERNATIONAL reputation. Case closed. All rise and order in the forum.
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gava

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Thu Feb 02, 2006 06:53 AM
Hi you all,this thread has all the hallmarks of a classic, you guys are cracking my rib cage!Sayaks for what it's worth, those who may not have heard about Warwick before will certainly do now.
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