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legaldiva 
Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 4 |
LLM in Paris
I'm an American law student, and I'd like to pursue an LLM in Paris at Pantheon-Assas after graduation (yes, I speak french). My only question is how to pay for it. Can I file a FAFSA for student loans to go abroad? Will a private lender give me money?Fri Jan 13, 2006 04:09 PM Thanks! |
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Shalizeh 
Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 12 |
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go to the following website: www.iefc.com. They have Federal Stafford Loans as well as bank loans available through Bank of American and Citibank. The program is specifically designed for US citizens wanting to study abroad long term or short term. Hope this helps. Best of Luck.
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| legaldiva
Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 4 |
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Excellent; thank you so much!Sun Jan 15, 2006 09:13 PM My next question is if anyone knows whether this particular program is really competitive ... or whether the LLM programs in general are extra competitive? |
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| Shalizeh
Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 12 |
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LLM in paris is very competitive, but llm in general is not so much. If you decide to do an llm (since you already hold a JD im assuming) in the US, then its not as selective.Tue Jan 17, 2006 04:52 PM However, if you decide to enroll in Europe, and I believe you want to take that route, then LLM is a bit selective depending on the school you apply to (like any other program). If you have excellent grades plus work experience, then I would apply to the paris program. Since they are mostly seeking mid-career students. The best way to describe it would be: imagine applying to an MBA program or Executive MBA at Tier 1 schools. This might help: the sister school of the paris program is Columbia University. This might help out regarding its stature. But theres no harm in applying, so just go for it. Depending on your grades, you might want to look into other universities as well. If you are seeking French Speaking Universities, try Geneva. |
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| canuck
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 3 |
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Does anyone know why there's such a discrepancy between Assas and Sorbonne in terms of tuition for the LL.M.? As I understand it, tuition at Assas is around 2,100 euros whereas at Sorbonne it is 6,000 euros.Tue Jan 31, 2006 03:35 PM Also, does anyone know the practical differences between the LL.M. program at Assas and the LL.M. program at Sorbonne? The Sorbonne program seems very well organized and appears to include a 3-month placement component. It is difficult to find comparable information on the LL.M. program at Assas, though I understand the university has an exceptional reputation. As between the two, is one more difficult to get into? |
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| vigilantee311
Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 1 |
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 07:13 PM [Edited 24 Jul 2006 by vigilantee311] |
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| albator
Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 21 |
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Vigilantee311, are you an alumnus/alumna of Paris II - Assas ? I’m sure you are…Sun Mar 05, 2006 02:33 PM I graduated from Hec and Paris X Nanterre, and I don’t think Assas is widely considered as a best law school than Paris I – Sorbonne. Paris 1-Sorbonne is a very prestigious law school in France, probably better than Assas in International/Commercial law. For example, Paris 1-Sorbonne has a joint degree program JD/maîtrise with Columbia Law School and Cornell and an LLB/maîtrise joint degree with King's College. There is also a joint degree program Paris I/SciencesPo/Cornell/Columbia Law School called "dess droit de la globalisation économique". However I do agree that Assas was well-know for its far-right student activism and violence. www.uejf.org/uejf_detail.php?sid=&id_art=593&id_ty… By the way, Nicolas Sarkozy graduated from Paris X-Nanterre… (another mistake in your post ?) www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,… [Edited 07 Aug 2006 by Admin] |
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| Alie471 Joined: 06 Feb 2006
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 06:07 PM [Edited 26 Jan 2007 by Alie471] |
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| Skadd
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 2 |
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“Assas is the best law school in France” ???Fri Mar 10, 2006 07:37 PM I strongly disagree with you. What is the basis for such a statement ??? Please find below the results of the last Concours d’Agrégation des Facultés de Droit (2005). Agrégation is the most prestigious academic qualification in the French law system: University of Paris I - Sorbonne: 11 admitted University of Paris II – Assas : 9 admitted 1. Sylvain Bollée (Thèse soutenue à Paris I, Les méthodes du droit international privé à l'épreuve des sentences arbitrales, 2003, dirigée par P. Mayer) 2. Clothilde Grare (Paris II, Recherches sur la cohérence de la responsabilité délictuelle : l'influence des fondements de la responsabilité sur la réparation, 2003, dir. Y. Lequette) 3. Jean-Sébastien Borghetti (Paris I, La responsabilité du fait des produits : étude de droit comparé, 2004, dir. G. Viney) 4. Cécile Peres-Dourdou (Paris I, La règle supplétive, 2003, dir. G. Viney) ex-aequo Marie-Claude Najm (Paris II, Principes directeurs du droit international privé et conflit de civilisations : relations entre systèmes laïques et systèmes religieux, 2004, dir. Y. Lequette) 5. Philippe Jacques (Paris XII, Regards sur l'article 1135 du Code civil, 2003, dir. F. Chabas) 6. Hélène Boucard (Poitiers, L'agréation de la livraison dans la vente, 2003, dir. Ph. Rémy) 7. Mathias Audit (Paris I, Les contrats transnationaux entre personnes publiques, 1999, dir. P. Mayer) 8. Gaël Piette (Pau, La correction du contrat, 2002, dir. M. Menjucq) 9. Philippe Dupichot (Paris II, Le pouvoir des volontés individuelles en droit des sûretés, 2003, dir. M. Grimaldi) 10. Yves-Marie Laithier (Paris I, Etude comparative des sanctions de l'inexécution du contrat, 2002, dir. H. Muir Watt) 11. Pierre Callé (Paris I, L'acte public en droit international privé, 2002, dir. P. Mayer) 12. Solange Becque-Ickowicz (Paris II, Le parallélisme des formes en droit privé, 2002, dir. P.-Y. Gautier) 13. Jocelyne Leblois-Happe (Strasbourg III, Quelles réponses à la petite délinquance ? : étude du droit répressif français sous l'éclairage comparé du droit répressif allemand, 1998, dir. R. Koering-Joulin) 14. Valérie Lasserre-Kiesow (Paris II, La technique législative : étude sur les codes civils français et allemand, 2000, dir. M. Pédamon) 15. Olivier Deshayes (Paris I, De la transmission de plein droit des obligations à l'ayant cause à titre particulier, 2003, dir. G. Viney) 16. Fabrice Siiriainen (Nice, La caractère exclusif du droit d'auteur à l'épreuve de la gestion collective, 1999, dir. Mme Gourdet) 17. Matthieu Poumarède (Toulouse I, Régimes de droit commun et régimes particuliers de responsabilité civile, 2003, dir. C. Saint-Alary) 18. Anne-Valérie Delozière-Le Fur (Paris II, La compensation dite multilatérale, 2002, dir. A. Ghozi) 19. Valérie Pironon (Paris II, Les joint ventures : Contribution à l'étude juridique d'un instrument de coopération internationale, 2002, dir. P. Fouchard) 20. Gilles Auzero (Bordeaux IV, Les accords relatifs au droit syndical et à la représentation du personnel, 1997, dir. J. Pélissier) 21. David Chilstein (Paris I, Droit pénal international et lois de police : essai sur l'application dans l'espace du droit pénal accessoire, 2001, dir. P. Mayer) 22. Sarah Bros-Grignon-Derenne (Paris II, L' interdépendance contractuelle, 2001, dir. C. Larroumet) 23. Robert Wintgen (Paris I, Etude critique de la notion d'opposabilité : les effets du contrat à l'égard des tiers en droit français et allemand, 2002, dir. J. Ghestin) 24. Renaud Mortier (Rennes I, Le rachat par la société de ses droits sociaux, 2003, dir. J.-J. Daigre) 25. Emmanuel Dreyer (Paris II, Le dépôt légal : analyse d'une garantie nécessaire au droit du public à l'information, 1999, co-dir. G. Cohen-Jonathan et B. Beignier) 26. Mustapha Mekki (Paris I, L'intérêt général et le contrat : contribution à une étude de la hiérarchie des intérêts en droit privé, 2003, dir. J. Ghestin) 27. Dorothée Cochet (Paris II, Le droit des associés, 2002, dir. M. Germain) 28. Olivera Boskovic-Pillet (Paris I, La réparation du préjudice en droit international privé, 2003, dir. P. Lagarde). In 2003, there was already more Paris 1 – Sorbonne students admitted to this extremely selective exam… Things are changing... I'm afraid... |
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| zuch
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1 |
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sorbonne : 11Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:32 PM assas : 10 (not 9, you forgot : ex-aequo Marie-Claude Najm, Hu!hu!) |
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| kris
Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 9 |
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hi guysWed Mar 15, 2006 11:42 PM i ve been planing also, to ask for the dess program in bussines law - droit des affaires at sorbonne , but i read some comments here saying that is hard to get into it, if u r not french. is it true? is it so impossible? i m albanian but with a law degree at Bologna University, and i would really like to get into that program at sorbonne, i m studing french hard, but i really want to be sure that my apply will be considered. can someone of u say me something about it, or advise me something? thx [Edited 15 Mar 2006 by kris] |
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| Cali Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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Hi I am a student of the DESS droit des affaires et fiscalité of Paris 1 Sorbonne. is this the programm you are talking about? Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:45 AM because if it is I can tell you that it is very open to foreign students provided you can attest being (quite) fluent in french and english and having good marks of course. about one third of the current students are from abroad. maybe more than that actually I should check. |
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| kris
Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 9 |
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yes i was talking about the DESS u r studing in. Glad to hear that foreign students are allowed.Thu Mar 16, 2006 08:00 PM actually i m studing french, but do you think i should have to show them a certificate ore something for my french , or they are going to check it by their own?. thx for the informations kali :) [Edited 16 Mar 2006 by kris] |
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| Cali95
Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 1 |
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you will probably have an interview either in Paris or by phone if you cannot come to Paris. I can ask exactly how it went to a foreign student of my class if you want me to.Fri Mar 17, 2006 02:34 PM where are you from again? |
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| kris
Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 9 |
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I m from albania but i live in Italy cause i m studing law at the University of Bologna and i m planing to get graduated in june.Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:09 PM I would be very gratefull to you if you ask your class mate about the interview, thanks a lot |
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| Bulbi
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 Posts: 8 |
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Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:41 PM Vigilantee311, are you an alumnus/alumna of Paris II - Assas ? I’m sure you are… I think you're not being fair to Assas for that matter. First, those "far-right student", let's say it plainly: neonazis are what 30 students out thousands. They are really a minority, well hated, and easily recognizable with their air-foce hairdo, military shoes and other accessories (like the famous as I called it Saint-Exupery's scarf). And I should know, I've been for half of my studies in Paris XIII Villetaneuse and half in Assas so let's say I experience the two "extremes" (Villetaneuse is located in a rough "banlieue" and is clearly leaning on the far-left with now fundamentalism issues). One think you can say for sure about Assas is that the amount of silver-spoon stark-spoiled students with an arrogant caricatural "Paris" mind and full designers clothes has no match in France! But that similar to some private US law schools. As for the reputation, I totally agree on the fact that Assas and Sorbonne, especially internationally, speaking, are well reknowed. Each one has qualities, depending on the area of law and the faculty (Public Law better in Sorbonne, Private in Assas, International Business for Sorbonne, IP/IT for Assas). But without any prejudice (and without speaking of others great law schools like Nanterre or Sceaux which has an excellent reputation but not internationally) it's perfectly true that Assas has an overall "better reputation". When you think of a Law School you think Assas and for recruiters that have not a great knowledge of specific diplomas Assas always ring a bell. Is it legitimate? Certainly not entirely but that's a fact. However the 2 law schools are really similar and share the same premises for the Master 2 (Panthéon facilities not practical but great). To give a pregnant example some middle law firm that received tons of resumé (market is bad) and cannot possibly read them all have sometimes devise a rather direct way of choosing: eliminate all resumés that are not Assas or Sorbonne. PS : I don't think it's very relevant to point the Law School of politicians as most of them like Nicolas Sarkozy almost never practiced and the true sources of power are institutions like ENA, Science PO & co. [Edited 18 Mar 2006 by Bulbi] |
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| legaldiva
Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 4 |
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As for fluency, I have a french major ... what are some guidelines to determine whether my french is "good enough"? Also, are the letters of rec required to be written in french?
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study4u
 Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 31 |
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HI all! Who can share with us: is there any post-graduate program in English in Paris (only Paris).Mon Apr 03, 2006 09:48 PM Thx in advance. |
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| study4u
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 31 |
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Wed Apr 05, 2006 07:34 PM HI all! Who can share with us: is there any post-graduate program in English in Paris (only Paris). Any ideas guys? |
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| gary
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 2 |
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Hi, does anyone know if these LLM programs in Paris (Assas, Sorbonne, etc.) prepare a foreigner (American) for the French bar? Also, is there a special, easier bar for foreigners wishing to be admitted to practive in France? Tue Apr 18, 2006 07:45 PM Thanks! |
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rokiany
 Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 9 |
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About testing your level of French, you should look up your local Alliance Francaise. You may be able to take something kind of equivalent to the English TOEFL there. There are currently a couple of tests offered, the TCF and DELF/DALF, which are widely accepted by universities. The TCF system is a bit simpler (just take the test), whereas for the DALF, you must first take the TCF or DELF to even have access to that test. I've been told that most universities now accept the TCF. The TCF offers several "mandatory" and several "optional" sections. I believe you must take all of them for university access.Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:30 PM Unfortunately, not all Alliances Francaises offer these tests, and even those that do may only offer them a couple of times a year. There is also a not-small fee, something nearing $200 I think. If you are going to be in France sometime soon, you may wish to arrange to do the test there. Good luck! rokiany |
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| gary
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 2 |
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I guess I wasn't clear : My question was supposed to be about the French bar exam itself. I'm fine with the level of necessary French. What I don't know is if these LLM programs prepare a foreigner to take the French bar exam. Does anyone know the answer? Also, I've been told there is a special bar exam for foreigners that has fewer questions on it. Sat Apr 29, 2006 03:35 PM Any info would be greatly appreciated... -Gary |
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| M82
Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 2 |
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Hi, I'm doing the LLM in Assas. This LLM doesn't give you the access to the French Bar Exam. Here, you have to apply to a special school that's called IEJ. The application to the IEJ is not allowed with a simple LLM. You should do a DESS/DEA (now called Master 2). Things changes if you already did the bar exam in your country, then you can pass the french bar exam anytime!
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| Jdilli
Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 1 |
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hi, since you're doing the LLM in Assas do you mind telling me what kind of students they accept in the program. I passed my Quebec bar already and I'm doing my internship now. i'll be a lawyer when i apply for the LLM. and i want to know what my chances are of getting in. how many people apply and how many get in? i've done all my studies in french so language is not a problem. thanks
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| Toogie
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I was wondering if anyone could comment on the reputation of L'Universite de Cergy-Pontoise? I'd be doing a joint J.D/DESS-DJCE with Vermont Law and Cergy in 4 years. I'd like to know the job prospects and reputation of the school before I decide to enroll in the program. Thanks.
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