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<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:09:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>legaldiva: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#9678</link> 
<description>I&#39;m an American law student, and I&#39;d like to pursue an LLM in Paris at Pantheon-Assas after graduation (yes, I speak french).  My only question is how to pay for it.  Can I file a FAFSA for student loans to go abroad?  Will a private lender give me money?

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<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:22:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Shalizeh: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#9683</link> 
<description>go to the following website: www.iefc.com. They have Federal Stafford Loans as well as bank loans available through Bank of American and Citibank. The program is specifically designed for US citizens wanting to study abroad long term or short term. Hope this helps. Best of Luck.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:13:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>legaldiva: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#9730</link> 
<description>Excellent; thank you so much!

My next question is if anyone knows whether this particular program is really competitive ... or whether the LLM programs in general are extra competitive?</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:52:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Shalizeh: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#9793</link> 
<description>LLM in paris is very competitive, but llm in general is not so much. If you decide to do an llm (since you already hold a JD im assuming) in the US, then its not as selective.

However, if you decide to enroll in Europe, and I believe you want to take that route, then LLM is a bit selective depending on the school you apply to (like any other program). If you have excellent grades plus work experience, then I would apply to the paris program. Since they are mostly seeking mid-career students. 

The best way to describe it would be: imagine applying to an MBA program or Executive MBA at Tier 1 schools. 

This might help: the sister school of the paris program is Columbia University. This might help out regarding its stature.

But theres no harm in applying, so just go for it. Depending on your grades, you might want to look into other universities as well. If you are seeking French Speaking Universities, try Geneva.

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<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:35:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>canuck: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#10381</link> 
<description>Does anyone know why there&#39;s such a discrepancy between Assas and Sorbonne in terms of tuition for the LL.M.?  As I understand it, tuition at Assas is around 2,100 euros whereas at Sorbonne it is 6,000 euros.

Also, does anyone know the practical differences between the LL.M. program at Assas and the LL.M. program at Sorbonne?  The Sorbonne program seems very well organized and appears to include a 3-month placement component.  It is difficult to find comparable information on the LL.M. program at Assas, though I understand the university has an exceptional reputation.  As between the two, is one more difficult to get into?</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:13:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>vigilantee311: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#11892</link> 
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<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:33:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>albator: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#11940</link> 
<description>Vigilantee311, are you an alumnus/alumna of Paris II - Assas ? I’m sure you are…

I graduated from Hec and Paris X Nanterre, and I don’t think Assas is widely considered as a best law school than Paris I – Sorbonne. 

Paris 1-Sorbonne is a very prestigious law school in France, probably better than Assas in International/Commercial law. For example, Paris 1-Sorbonne has a joint degree program JD/maîtrise with Columbia Law School and Cornell and an LLB/maîtrise joint degree with King&#39;s College. There is also a joint degree program Paris I/SciencesPo/Cornell/Columbia Law School called &quot;dess droit de la globalisation économique&quot;.

However I do agree that Assas was well-know for its far-right student activism and violence.

http://www.uejf.org/uejf_detail.php?sid=&amp;id_art=593&amp;id_type=3


By the way, Nicolas Sarkozy graduated from Paris X-Nanterre… (another mistake in your post ?)

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901041011-708953-2,00.html
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:07:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Alie471: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#12356</link> 
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:37:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Skadd: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#12372</link> 
<description>“Assas is the best law school in France” ???

I strongly disagree with you. 

What is the basis for such a statement ???

Please find below the results of the last Concours d’Agrégation des Facultés de Droit (2005). Agrégation is the most prestigious academic qualification in the French law system: 

University of Paris I - Sorbonne: 11 admitted

University of Paris II – Assas : 9 admitted

1. Sylvain Bollée (Thèse soutenue à Paris I, Les méthodes du droit international privé à l&#39;épreuve des sentences arbitrales, 2003, dirigée par P. Mayer) 
2. Clothilde Grare (Paris II, Recherches sur la cohérence de la responsabilité délictuelle : l&#39;influence des fondements de la responsabilité sur la réparation, 2003, dir. Y. Lequette) 
3. Jean-Sébastien Borghetti (Paris I, La responsabilité du fait des produits : étude de droit comparé, 2004, dir. G. Viney) 
4. Cécile Peres-Dourdou (Paris I, La règle supplétive, 2003, dir. G. Viney) ex-aequo Marie-Claude Najm (Paris II, Principes directeurs du droit international privé et conflit de civilisations : relations entre systèmes laïques et systèmes religieux, 2004, dir. Y. Lequette) 
5. Philippe Jacques (Paris XII, Regards sur l&#39;article 1135 du Code civil, 2003, dir. F. Chabas) 
6. Hélène Boucard (Poitiers, L&#39;agréation de la livraison dans la vente, 2003, dir. Ph. Rémy) 
7. Mathias Audit (Paris I, Les contrats transnationaux entre personnes publiques, 1999, dir. P. Mayer) 
8. Gaël Piette (Pau, La correction du contrat, 2002, dir. M. Menjucq) 
9. Philippe Dupichot (Paris II, Le pouvoir des volontés individuelles en droit des sûretés, 2003, dir. M. Grimaldi) 
10. Yves-Marie Laithier (Paris I, Etude comparative des sanctions de l&#39;inexécution du contrat, 2002, dir. H. Muir Watt) 
11. Pierre Callé (Paris I, L&#39;acte public en droit international privé, 2002, dir. P. Mayer) 
12. Solange Becque-Ickowicz (Paris II, Le parallélisme des formes en droit privé, 2002, dir. P.-Y. Gautier) 
13. Jocelyne Leblois-Happe (Strasbourg III, Quelles réponses à la petite délinquance ? : étude du droit répressif français sous l&#39;éclairage comparé du droit répressif allemand, 1998, dir. R. Koering-Joulin) 
14. Valérie Lasserre-Kiesow (Paris II, La technique législative : étude sur les codes civils français et allemand, 2000, dir. M. Pédamon) 
15. Olivier Deshayes (Paris I, De la transmission de plein droit des obligations à l&#39;ayant cause à titre particulier, 2003, dir. G. Viney) 
16. Fabrice Siiriainen (Nice, La caractère exclusif du droit d&#39;auteur à l&#39;épreuve de la gestion collective, 1999, dir. Mme Gourdet) 
17. Matthieu Poumarède (Toulouse I, Régimes de droit commun et régimes particuliers de responsabilité civile, 2003, dir. C. Saint-Alary) 
18. Anne-Valérie Delozière-Le Fur (Paris II, La compensation dite multilatérale, 2002, dir. A. Ghozi) 
19. Valérie Pironon (Paris II, Les joint ventures : Contribution à l&#39;étude juridique d&#39;un instrument de coopération internationale, 2002, dir. P. Fouchard) 
20. Gilles Auzero (Bordeaux IV, Les accords relatifs au droit syndical et à la représentation du personnel, 1997, dir. J. Pélissier) 
21. David Chilstein (Paris I, Droit pénal international et lois de police : essai sur l&#39;application dans l&#39;espace du droit pénal accessoire, 2001, dir. P. Mayer) 
22. Sarah Bros-Grignon-Derenne (Paris II, L&#39; interdépendance contractuelle, 2001, dir. C. Larroumet) 
23. Robert Wintgen (Paris I, Etude critique de la notion d&#39;opposabilité : les effets du contrat à l&#39;égard des tiers en droit français et allemand, 2002, dir. J. Ghestin) 
24. Renaud Mortier (Rennes I, Le rachat par la société de ses droits sociaux, 2003, dir. J.-J. Daigre) 
25. Emmanuel Dreyer (Paris II, Le dépôt légal : analyse d&#39;une garantie nécessaire au droit du public à l&#39;information, 1999, co-dir. G. Cohen-Jonathan et B. Beignier) 
26. Mustapha Mekki (Paris I, L&#39;intérêt général et le contrat : contribution à une étude de la hiérarchie des intérêts en droit privé, 2003, dir. J. Ghestin) 
27. Dorothée Cochet (Paris II, Le droit des associés, 2002, dir. M. Germain) 
28. Olivera Boskovic-Pillet (Paris I, La réparation du préjudice en droit international privé, 2003, dir. P. Lagarde).


In 2003, there was already more Paris 1 – Sorbonne students admitted to this extremely selective exam… 

Things are changing... I&#39;m afraid...
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:32:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>zuch: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#12749</link> 
<description>sorbonne : 11
assas : 10 (not 9, you forgot : ex-aequo Marie-Claude Najm, Hu!hu!)</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:42:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>kris: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#12878</link> 
<description>hi guys
i ve been planing also, to ask for the dess program in bussines law - droit des affaires at sorbonne , but i read some comments here saying that is hard to get into it, if u r not  french. is it true? is it so impossible?
 i m albanian but with a law degree at Bologna University, and i would really like to get into that program at sorbonne, i m studing french hard, but  i really want to be sure that my apply will be considered.
can someone of u say me something about it, or advise me something? thx</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:45:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Cali: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#12970</link> 
<description>Hi I am a student of the DESS droit des affaires et fiscalité of Paris 1 Sorbonne. is this the programm you are talking about? 
because if it is I can tell you that it is very open to foreign students provided you can attest being (quite) fluent in french and english and having good marks of course. about one third of the current students are from abroad. maybe more than that actually I should check.

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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>kris: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#13049</link> 
<description>yes i was talking about the DESS u r studing in.  Glad to hear that foreign students are allowed.
 actually i m studing french, but do you think i should have to show them a certificate ore something for my french , or they are going to check it by their own?. thx for the informations kali  :)</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:34:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Cali95: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#13138</link> 
<description>you will probably have an interview either in Paris or by phone if you cannot come to Paris. I can ask exactly how it went to a foreign student of my class if you want me to.
where are you from again?</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:09:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>kris: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#13206</link> 
<description> I m from albania but i live in Italy cause i m studing law at the University of Bologna and i m planing to get graduated in june.
I would be very gratefull to you if you ask your class  mate about the interview, thanks a lot</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:41:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Bulbi: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#13231</link> 
<description> Vigilantee311, are you an alumnus/alumna of Paris II - Assas ? I’m sure you are…

I graduated from Hec and Paris X Nanterre, and I don’t think Assas is widely considered as a best law school than Paris I – Sorbonne. 

Paris 1-Sorbonne is a very prestigious law school in France, probably better than Assas in International/Commercial law. For example, Paris 1-Sorbonne has a joint degree program JD/maîtrise with Columbia Law School and Cornell and an LLB/maîtrise joint degree with King&#39;s College. There is also a joint degree program Paris I/SciencesPo/Cornell/Columbia Law School called &quot;dess droit de la globalisation économique&quot;.

However I do agree that Assas was well-know for its far-right student activism and violence.

http://www.uejf.org/uejf_detail.php?sid=&amp;id_art=593&amp;id_type=3
 

I think you&#39;re not being fair to Assas for that matter.

First, those &quot;far-right student&quot;, let&#39;s say it plainly: neonazis are what 30 students out thousands. They are really a minority, well hated, and easily recognizable with their air-foce hairdo, military shoes and other accessories (like the famous as I called it Saint-Exupery&#39;s scarf).

And I should know, I&#39;ve been for half of my studies in Paris XIII Villetaneuse and half in Assas so let&#39;s say I experience the two &quot;extremes&quot; (Villetaneuse is located in a rough &quot;banlieue&quot; and is clearly leaning on the far-left with now fundamentalism issues).

One think you can say for sure about Assas is that the amount of silver-spoon stark-spoiled students with an arrogant caricatural &quot;Paris&quot; mind and full designers clothes has no match in France! But that similar to some private US law schools.

As for the reputation, I totally agree on the fact that Assas and Sorbonne, especially internationally, speaking, are well reknowed.

Each one has qualities, depending on the area of law and the faculty (Public Law better in Sorbonne, Private in Assas, International Business for Sorbonne, IP/IT for Assas).

But without any prejudice (and without speaking of others great law schools like Nanterre or Sceaux which has an excellent reputation but not internationally) it&#39;s perfectly true that Assas has an overall &quot;better reputation&quot;.

When you think of a Law School you think Assas and for recruiters that have not a great knowledge of specific diplomas Assas always ring a bell. Is it legitimate? Certainly not entirely but that&#39;s a fact.

However the 2 law schools are really similar and share the same premises for the Master 2 (Panthéon facilities not practical but great). To give a pregnant example some middle law firm that received tons of resumé (market is bad) and cannot possibly read them all have sometimes devise a rather direct way of choosing: eliminate all resumés that are not Assas or Sorbonne.

PS : I don&#39;t think it&#39;s very relevant to point the Law School of politicians as most of them like Nicolas Sarkozy almost never practiced and the true sources of power are institutions like ENA, Science PO &amp; co.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:05:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>legaldiva: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#14588</link> 
<description>As for fluency, I have a french major ... what are some guidelines to determine whether my french is &quot;good enough&quot;?  Also, are the letters of rec required to be written in french?</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:48:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>study4u: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#15280</link> 
<description>HI all! Who can share with us: is there any post-graduate program in English in Paris (only Paris).
Thx in advance.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:34:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>study4u: LLM in Paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#15537</link> 
<description> HI all! Who can share with us: is there any post-graduate program in English in Paris (only Paris).
Thx in advance. 
Any ideas guys?</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:45:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>gary: Paris LLM - French Bar</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#16723</link> 
<description>Hi, does anyone know if these LLM programs in Paris (Assas, Sorbonne, etc.) prepare a foreigner (American) for the French bar? Also, is there a special, easier bar for foreigners wishing to be admitted to practive in France? 
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:30:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>rokiany: Paris LLM - French Bar</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#17392</link> 
<description>About testing your level of French, you should look up your local Alliance Francaise. You may be able to take something kind of equivalent to the English TOEFL there. There are currently a couple of tests offered, the TCF and DELF/DALF, which are widely accepted by universities. The TCF system is a bit simpler (just take the test), whereas for the DALF, you must first take the TCF or DELF to even have access to that test. I&#39;ve been told that most universities now accept the TCF. The TCF offers several &quot;mandatory&quot; and several &quot;optional&quot; sections. I believe you must take all of them for university access.

Unfortunately, not all Alliances Francaises offer these tests, and even those that do may only offer them a couple of times a year. There is also a not-small fee, something nearing $200 I think. If you are going to be in France sometime soon, you may wish to arrange to do the test there.

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<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:35:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>gary: Paris LLM - French Bar</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#17541</link> 
<description>I guess I wasn&#39;t clear : My question was supposed to be about the French bar exam itself. I&#39;m fine with the level of necessary French. What I don&#39;t know is if these LLM programs prepare a foreigner to take the French bar exam. Does anyone know the answer? Also, I&#39;ve been told there is a special bar exam for foreigners that has fewer questions on it. 
Any info would be greatly appreciated... 

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<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:07:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>M82: Paris LLM - French Bar</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#17567</link> 
<description>Hi, I&#39;m doing the LLM in Assas. This LLM doesn&#39;t give you the access to the French Bar Exam. Here, you have to apply to a special school that&#39;s called IEJ. The application to the IEJ is not allowed with a simple LLM. You should do a DESS/DEA (now called Master 2). Things changes if you already did the bar exam in your country, then you can pass the french bar exam anytime!</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 00:32:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Jdilli: Paris LLM - ASSAS</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#18288</link> 
<description>hi, since you&#39;re doing the LLM in Assas do you mind telling me what kind of students they accept in the program. I passed my Quebec bar already and I&#39;m doing my internship now. i&#39;ll be a lawyer when i apply for the LLM. and i want to know what my chances are of getting in. how many people apply and how many get in? i&#39;ve done all my studies in french so language is not a problem. thanks</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 08:57:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Toogie: Paris LLM - ASSAS</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#18350</link> 
<description>I was wondering if anyone could comment on the reputation of L&#39;Universite de Cergy-Pontoise? I&#39;d be doing a joint J.D/DESS-DJCE with Vermont Law and Cergy in 4 years. I&#39;d like to know the job prospects and reputation of the school before I decide to enroll in the program. Thanks. </description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 02:02:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>acp21: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#18627</link> 
<description>Hello. Sorry Toogie, this is not in response to your question. I am a fourth year english student currently attending Simon Fraser University in western Canada. I&#39;ll be done this year, and when i finish, i plan on moving to montreal and doing a french course at a language school for a year or so. I want to attend law school in Paris, and earn a J.D or LL.B or whatever a basic law degree is called in France. 

My question is this: Assuming that my LSAT score/grades are competative (about an A/A- cummulativly), and I have a language certificate from a good language school, what are some of the barriers I would face if I applied to one of the law schools in Paris? My main concerns are that my Canadian english degree will be invalid, and that the costs for an international student will be incredibly high. I also wonder what the visa situation is like, and how that process works. 

Any advice or direction would certainly be appreciated!

I assume that the majority of people on this discussion board are allready practicing lawyers, so feel free to write me a detailed report outlining my options! I&#39;ll send you a cheque!</description>
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<title>M82: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#18811</link> 
<description>Hi Jdilli, I don&#39;t really know how many applications the LLM in Assas receives every year, they don&#39;t tell us. I only know that we are 20 students in class, from 20 different countries and with very different accademical background. Some are lawyers, some are not (me for ex.). I think they pay attention to your grades in school and to your professional experiences, they want you to be among the best in the studies you did. If you&#39;re fluent in French I&#39;m sure you won&#39;t have any problem to get in.</description>
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<title>kris: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#19623</link> 
<description>HELP HELP HELP
i need a model motivation letter in french for llm in droit des affaires. it is an emergency . 
COULD ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE </description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:16:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>fireblader: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#19627</link> 
<description> HELP HELP HELP
i need a model motivation letter in french for llm in droit des affaires. it is an emergency . 
COULD ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE  

Dear I don&#39;t have such motivation letter in French, but I can give you advices I got from my friend who is expirienced postgraduate student in France. And it works, that&#39;s my expierience with his advices :-).

1. You need to show them why do you want to enter their course in general - you are a lawyer and you need for your job more eduction in the field of droit des affaires, it will helps you etc.
2. go subject to subject or just choose several of them and describe who this concrete subjects will help you 
3. if you know any of lectures write, that you think that in the field of etc. labour law will really helps you to have opportunity to visit classes of this lecture
4. it&#39;s France, so do not forget that you will be  able to improve your French
5. of course the strong legal of France, since Code Civil .....

I don&#39;t know if this would help you, but I believe it can ....</description>
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<title>fireblader: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#19628</link> 
<description> HELP HELP HELP
i need a model motivation letter in french for llm in droit des affaires. it is an emergency . 
COULD ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE  

Or write true :-))) nice French girls, a lot of cultural monuments (you need weeks to go through Louver), and the wine is great :-))))</description>
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<title>kris: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#19783</link> 
<description>yeah , these were the first things i thought, but i think they dony work :))))). these are too personal motivation reasons :)))). anyway , thaks a lot for your advices. </description>
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<title>Henrik: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#20316</link> 
<description>for the final conclusion on the &quot;who&#39;s better&quot; debate read this monster posting http://forums.figaro-etudiant.com/view.php?site=figaro&amp;bn=figaro_formation&amp;key=1112794873 ... pretty interesting, and very entertaining! perso: ....Assas!</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:31:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>legaldiva: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#20740</link> 
<description>I am graduating this year, and I am wondering what the average number of years of experience for the admitted students to Assas might average.  Any ideas?</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:18:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>EdP: J.D in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#21911</link> 
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On the Paris 1 v Paris 2 debate, rather than making emptly statements, here is a list of all rankings I have been able to find on the internet:
http://www.ulb.ac.be/polytech/smana/NOUV_OB/Observateur.htm
http://www.smbgrecrutement.com/2_classement/6.html
http://www.smbgrecrutement.com/2_classement/7.html
http://www.smbgrecrutement.com/2_classement/11.html
http://forums.figaro-etudiant.com/view.php?site=figaro&amp;bn=figaro_formation&amp;key=1113522114

Paris 2 as come before Paris 1 in every single ranking I have found.

One should be aware that they both can make the same claim at being the &quot;Sorbonne&quot;.  Historically, the &quot;Sorbonne&quot; was split into 12 different universities in 1968.  3 include the name in their present denomination (Paris 1, 3, and 4), but should not be mistaken with the original institution.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:07:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>Alpal: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#27971</link> 
<description>Hi,

I am a danish law student that would like to follow the LL.M. program in the year 2008/09 at Sorbonne, Paris. Does anyone know how I can improve my chances of being accepted in the program?

Does anyone know if the recommendation letters have to be in french?

Is there in the meantime anything else I can do this year to improve my position, for example take some specific language tests in french (and are some tests more accepted than others)?

Thank You for your help,
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<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:05:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>anonymous: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#33310</link> 
<description>Those debates about which is the best between Assas and Sorbonne are quite frivolous since the reputation of french universities depends on the Master 2, each university excelling in different fields. 

For example Assas bank and finances law Master 2 has the best reputation while there is no match in France, and probably Europe to Sorbonne&#39;s International law Master 2. 

And this leads to have smaller universities excelling in their own field (Paris V, Sceaux, Strasbourg, Dijon...)

Contrarily to what has been written, no serious recruiter will discard an application because it does not contain THE diploma they are looking for. 

None of those diplomas gives you a direct access to the Bar A french graduate has to go through the EFB (http://www.efb-paris.avocat.fr/). 

For foreign lawyers already admitted to a foreign bar read 
section 99 (UE) and 100 (none UE) of the Décret dated 27 novembre 1991 : http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/Ajour?nor=JUSX9110304D&amp;num=91-1197&amp;ind=1&amp;laPage=1&amp;demande=ajour






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<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>trunnie: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#33329</link> 
<description>As a recent graduate of the LLM at the Sorbonne, I wouldn&#39;t wish to comment on the academic element of the course at Assas. What I can comment on however is the administrative element - Assas seem to lack contact with reality, both I and another student applied to Assas early last year, but they were not even prepared to get around to interviewing until September (for a course that was to start in October). At least the Sorbonne had got an offer out by June. 

Therefore unless you are prepared to hang on until the very last minute to know if you have been accepted skip Assas. As for the LLM at the Sorbonne, it is useful if you plan on staying in France as the stage/secondment helps you get office based experience which helps trying to find a job. 

The Universities here do seem to be in need of M. Sarkozy&#39;s reform proposals.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:01:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>anonymous: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#33331</link> 
<description>
&quot;Does anyone know if the recommendation letters have to be in french?&quot;

Unlike in the US and UK, the french faculties do not require, and even often dislike recommendation letters. 
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<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:43:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>trunnie: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#33364</link> 
<description>If you are talking about the Sorbonne then there is a format for the letter of recommendation that is available on the site (it&#39;s not immediately obvious, it appears as you work through the application process). They do not need to be in French for the Sorbonne. I have no idea about Assas. As it&#39;s already mid-July then if you have not already applied you may find that you&#39;re too late for the Sorbonne for Oct &#39;07, but in time for the slow moving Assas.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:51:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>EdP: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#33640</link> 
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Does anyone have feedback on what happened to you after the LLM?  What were your experiences employerwise?</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 10:38:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>sanndra: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#47149</link> 
<description>Hi everybody,
I&#39;m planning to study LLM in Paris and would like to know what level of french is necessary, or maybe smth changed and there are courses in english (as the last messages here are written last year). 
Also I would like to know what criterions are the most important to enter? (good marks, language skils, etc?)

Thanks! 

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<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:36:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>lia: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#47160</link> 
<description>hello!i am interesting in a llm in paris.when you say that good marks are important, what do you mean?what marks are necessary for sorbonne or Assas?i am from greece and i do not know which is the correspondence between the marks in greece and the marks in france</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:20:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>sanndra: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#47175</link> 
<description>Actually I don&#39;t know what aspects are important to enter in these universities, so I wanted to ask somebody who are studying there. About language as well, because my french is not fluent, and I would like to know is it necessary to pass language test or smth and what level is required. Or maybe there are courses in english? 
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<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:34:00 +0200</pubDate>
<title>laodeshu: LL.M in paris</title>
<link>http://www.llm-guide.com/board/9678/last#47987</link> 
<description>Hi

I am a French student graduated from Paris II, Assas. I don&#39;t really know about the grades they&#39;re expecting from foreigners applicants. when you are French and apply to a &quot;Master 2&quot; (LLM) they usually require good grades, distinctions, like &quot;with high honors&quot; diplomas.. but work experience can also be considered, i guess.  

For the language requirement, I remember foreigners in my class (btw, many foreigner applicants are accepted) had to come to paris some weeks before the master started and take a special French class. 

anyways, i&#39;m not of much help here, but if you have specific questions, just ask!
cheers</description>
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